From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jan 01 12:02:48 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi ident=esoteric) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Ckg2I-000LQY-KQ; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:59:02 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:58:45 +0200 (EET) Received: from lilly.csoft.net ([63.111.22.101] helo=mail102.csoft.net) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Ckg20-000LQQ-Od for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:58:45 +0200 Received: (qmail 33637 invoked by uid 2567); 1 Jan 2005 09:58:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 09:58:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 04:58:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffry Johnston X-X-Sender: jeffryj@lilly To: friends-of-brainfuck@koeln.ccc.de cc: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] [bf] BOS: BrainF*** Operating System loader and EsoAPI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050101041525.N66363@lilly> References: <4210.216.154.205.203.1103000453.squirrel@216.154.205.203> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Hi, I've written a BF interpreter with EsoAPI 1.0 support (which I also made up, but it sounds impressive, doesn't it? :) There are 14,976 16-bit cells and it should be able to handle up to 130,560 bytes of BF code. The EsoAPI functions give basic disk sector I/O abilities, so it should be possible to write a BF operating system that accesses the FAT12 disk to load and "execute" programs BFI-style, give directory lists, basic file functions, etc. EsoAPI 1.0 needs only 8-bit character output to work and should be fairly portable across different esolangs. It will hopefully be the base for what will grow into a larger messy and complicated API with all sorts of extra functionality. Some examples include: GUIs, sound, graphics, mouse, networking, etc... features that most esolangs do not include. Get BOS 1.10 here: http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/programs/bf/bf.html Jeff -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Feb 05 00:44:25 2005 Received: from madrid.servershost.net ([66.225.212.203]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CxCBc-000O7B-8Z; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:44:24 +0200 Received: from nobody by madrid.servershost.net with local (Exim 4.44) id 1Cx65H-00066p-S0; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:13:28 -0600 To: Subject: YUKOS OIL From: olsom X-Priority: 3 (Normal) CC: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: RLSP Mailer Message-Id: Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:13:27 -0600 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - madrid.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - esoteric.sange.fi X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 33008] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - madrid.servershost.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) Dear friend I am Mr. Olsom Berghart a personal treasurer to Mikhail Khodorkovsky the Richest man in Russia and owner of the following companies: Chairman CEO: YUKOS OIL (Russian Largest Oil Company) Chairman CEO:Menatep SBP Bank (A well reputable financial institution with it’s Branches all over the world) SOURCE OF FUNDS: I have a profiling amount in an excess of US$100.5M, which I seek yourPartnership in accommodating for me. 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I hope fine. if so glory be to God. my name is Joy Dikibo 22yrs old and I am the daughter to the late Chief Aminasori .K. Dikibo, former national vice chairman (South-South) of the ruling Peoples Democratic Party (PDP)that was killed by yet-to-be identified gunmen in February 2004 in Nigeria. My late father Chief A.K.Dikibo was killed so that he can be replaced by Mr. Godspower Ake.This was made possible because the chairman and secertary of the national body of P.D.P wants Mr. Godspower Ake on the seat and after they have succeeded all that we have was taken away from us including all bank accounts abroad and at home. Anyway i thank God that i am alive today, life has not been easy for me and my family Since the death of my dad. Though my father's property and cash has been confiscated but last of our late dad deposit abroad is not known by the government, friends nor relatives and this is why i am writing to you for aid as this is the only fund we have left in our entire life. I and my family have gone through hell even my dads relatives could not help us and made life a living hell for us, the only given option now for us is to have a reliable foreigner that can claim and transfer the funds to his/her account. After this has been done my family and I are willing to offer 10% of the funds to anyone that can assist us claim our money. My mum has been so ill and things are not really going well with us here. I decided to contact you because i knew God was gong to use you to assist me and my family from our present predicaments. As soon as we have been able to collect this money I and my family will be coming overseas so we can start up a new life and invest in a profitable business venture with your assistance, I will be glad if you can assist. As i write this I write in tears and pains, I appeal to you to assist us claim the funds from abroad and I will give u more details as soon as i hear from you. I want you to know that i have been directed by the spirit to send this to you, may the lord bless you richly as you assist my family and me in regaining our lost life back as this is my mum's only wish right now? and do please reply me with my secured email address: j_dikibo@mail2africa.com Best regards Miss Joy Dikibo. ___________________________________________________________________________ Mensagem enviada através do serviço de e-mail disponível em - http://www.mundodriver.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Feb 13 13:40:49 2005 Received: from [211.242.238.36] (helo=netscape.net) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1D0I7L-0001qh-2N for archive-misc@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4bf601c511b6$b5df2f70$9f4d13bf@barry3douglasjaaqawkf> Reply-To: From: To: Subject: Business Assisstance Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:28:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 6.5 (++++++) R3JlZXRpbmdzIGFuZCBDb21wbGltZW50cy4NCg0KSSBzdHJvbmdseSByZWdyZXQgYW55IGluY29u dmVuaWVuY2UgdGhlIHJlY2VpcHQgb2YgdGhpcyBsZXR0ZXIgbWF5IA0KY2F1c2V5b3UsIGJlYXJp bmcgaW4gbWluZCB0aGUgbmF0dXJlIG9mIGl0cyBjb250ZW50IGNvbWluZyBmcm9tIGEgcGVyc29u IA0Kd2l0aG91dGFueXJlZmVycmFsLCBidXQgcGxlYXNlIHJlYWQgYW5kIGFzc2ltaWxhdGUgaXRz IGNvbnRlbnQgYW5kIG9iamVjdGl2ZWx5IA0KY29uc2lkZXJpZiB3ZSBjYW4gd29yayB0b2dldGhl ci4NCg0KSSBhbSB0aGUgaGVhZCBvZiB0aGUgYWNjb3VudCBkZXBhcnRtZW50IG9mIGEgUHJpdmF0 ZSBCYW5rIGluIA0KTmV0aGVybGFuZHNhbmQgSSB3b3VsZCBsaWtlIHRvIGludGltYXRlIHlvdSB3 aXRoIGNlcnRhaW4gZmFjdHMgdGhhdCBJIGJlbGlldmUgDQp3b3VsZGJlIG9mIGludGVyZXN0IHRv IHlvdS4NCg0KVGhpcyBpbnZvbHZlcyBhIGNsaWVudCB3aG8gc2hhcmVkIHRoZSBzYW1lIGxhc3Qg bmFtZSB3aXRoIHlvdSBhbmQgaGFkIA0KYW5pbnZlc3RtZW50IHBsYWNlZCB1bmRlciBvdXIgYmFu aydzIG1hbmFnZW1lbnQgeWVhcnMgYWdvLCB0aGUgDQpjaXJjdW1zdGFuY2Vzc3Vycm91bmRpbmcg dGhlIGludmVzdG1lbnQgbWFkZSBieSB0aGlzIGNsaWVudCB3aG8gZGllZCBpbnRlcnN0YXRlLCAN CndpdGhub2tub3duIG5vbWluYXRlZCBzdWNjZXNzb3IgaW4gdGl0bGUgb3ZlciB0aGlzIGludmVz dG1lbnQgbWFkZSB3aXRoIHRoZSANClByaXZhdGVCYW5raW5nIEJyYW5jaCBvZiBteSBiYW5rIGhh cyBtYWRlIGl0IHZlcnkgZGlmZmljdWx0IHRvIGxvY2F0ZSBhbnlvbmUgDQp3aG9pcyBkaXJlY3Rs eSByZWxhdGVkIHRvIHRoZSBkZWNlYXNlZC4NCg0KV2l0aCB0aGUgdmVyeSBzdHJvbmcgZmVlbGlu ZyB0aGF0IG5vIG9uZSB3aWxsIGV2ZXIgY29tZSBmb3J3YXJkIHRvIA0KY2xhaW10aGVmdW5kcyBh bmQgdGhlIGludmVzdGlnYXRpb24gY29taW5nIHRvIGEgY2xvc2UgYWZ0ZXIgc2V2ZXJhbCBtb250 aHMsIHRoZQ0KbmVlZGZvciBhbiBhc3Npc3RhbmNlIGJlY29tZXMgY3J1Y2lhbCwgYXMgYSBuZXh0 IG9mIGtpbiB0byB0aGUgZGVwb3NpdG9yIGlzDQplYXJuZXN0bHliZWluZyBzZWFyY2hlZCBmb3Is IEkgaGF2ZSBhbHJlYWR5IGRldmVsb3BlZCBhIGZvb2xwcm9vZiwgbGVnYWwgYW5kIA0KdG90YWxs eXJpc2sgZnJlZSBtZWFucyB0aHJvdWdoIHdoaWNoIHRoZSBmdW5kIGNhbiBiZSByZWxlYXNlZCB0 byB5b3VyIA0Kbm9taW5hdGVkYmFua2FjY291bnQgd2l0aGluIGEgdmVyeSBzaG9ydCB0aW1lIGFm dGVyIGR1ZSBkb2N1bWVudGF0aW9uIGFuZCANCmF1dGhlbnRpY2F0aW9ucHJvY2Vzcy4NCg0KVGhl IHN0cmF0ZWd5IGlzIHRvIHVzZSBteSBwb3NpdGlvbiBhbmQgaW5mbHVlbmNlIGFzIHRoZSBIZWFk IG9mIHRoZSANCmJyYW5jaGFuZCBQZXJzb25hbCBBY2NvdW50IG9mZmljZSBvZiB0aGUgZGVjZWFz ZWQgdG8gcHJlc2VudCB5b3UgYXMgYSBuZXh0IG9mDQpLaW4gYW5kYmVuZWZpY2lhcnkgb2YgdGhl IGRlcG9zaXQuIEkgd2FudCB0byBhc3N1cmUgeW91IHRoYXQgSSBoYXZlIGNvbmNsdWRlZCANCmFs bGxvY2FsIG1vZGFsaXRpZXMgZm9yIHRoZSBzdWNjZXNzZnVsIGNvbXBsZXRpb24gb2YgdGhpcyB3 aXRoaW4gMTAgDQpiYW5raW5nZGF5cyBvZnlvdXIgYWdyZWVtZW50IHRvIHByb2NlZWQgd2l0aCBt ZSBhcyB0aGUgcmVxdWlyZWQgYXNzaXN0YW5jZSBpcyANCnBlcmZlY3RlZHRvIGJlMTAwJSByaXNr IGZyZWUuDQoNCkkgZXhwZWN0IHlvdXIgdXJnZW50IHJlc3BvbnNlIGFuZCBpZiBpbiB0aGUgYWZm aXJtYXRpdmUsIEkgc2hhbGwNCmFkdmljZSB5b3Ugb24gd2hhdCB3ZSBuZWVkIHRvIGRvLg0KDQpC ZXN0IHJlZ2FyZHMsDQpCYXJyeSBEb3VnbGFzLg0KDQpiYXJyeTNkb3VnbGFzQG5ldHNjYXBlLm5l dA== From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Mar 09 08:27:51 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi ident=esoteric) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1D8udO-000KBs-Su; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:25:30 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:25:13 +0200 (EET) Received: from pop.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.15]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1D8ud0-000KBk-LD for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:25:09 +0200 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by pop.hevanet.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6p3) with ESMTP id j296Oju30443 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:24:46 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cristofd@pop.hevanet.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:24:43 -0800 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi From: "Daniel." Subject: [lang] Fwd: [Friends-of-brainfuck] Logical Brainfuck Competition Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Forwarded from Keymaker's post to the friend-of-brainfuck mailing list: >Hi, >it's time for another brainfuck competition, >the Logical Brainfuck Competition! > >The task is to create program to evaluate logical expressions. > >This time public feedback is being asked before the rules are >confirmed, so check out this topic at Brainfuck Golf forum >(that we are borrowing once again :)): >http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1244436&forum_id=201037 > >Hopefully the rules can be confirmed soon, and the competition >shall begin. When the rules are confirmed, there will be new >topic opened, so keep the Golf forum on eye. > >-- Keymaker and Daniel B. Cristofani > >PS. 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Thank you, Nancy From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue May 24 17:22:17 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DaaF1-00074M-H1; Tue, 24 May 2005 17:18:43 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Tue, 24 May 2005 17:18:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from asmtp01.eresmas.com ([62.81.235.141]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DaaEW-0006yL-Vo for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 24 May 2005 17:18:35 +0300 Received: from [192.168.108.53] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp01.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DaaC1-0004wZ-09 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 24 May 2005 16:15:37 +0200 Received: from [80.59.211.124] (helo=DirTecnica) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1DaaC0-0007aa-Bg for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 24 May 2005 16:15:36 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:14:52 +0000 From: Pedro Gimeno Fortea Subject: [lang] Esoteric languages preservation To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.0 Message-Id: <1116944092l.1912l.0l@DirTecnica> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: usr352@wanadoo.es Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Hi all. We've been discussing on IRC the topic of preserving esoteric languages from disappearing. I started writing a message for this list on that subject but it became too long so I HTMLized it a bit and put it on a web page. The result is here: It provides "default" answers but nothing's set in stone; everything is subject to discussion. We need volunteers for hosting mirror sites and editors willing to add content. I think that gathering permission from those language authors who don't clearly state the license of their creations is also needed. Thanks in advance to everyone. -- Pedro Gimeno -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue May 24 23:24:17 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DafuW-0004ae-Ks; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:21:56 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Tue, 24 May 2005 23:21:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from sh57.surpasshosting.com ([72.29.74.67]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Dafu3-0004Vt-K3 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:21:49 +0300 Received: from thunder by sh57.surpasshosting.com with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dafrq-0006vi-N1 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 24 May 2005 16:19:10 -0400 Received: from 68.100.130.21 ([68.100.130.21]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user graue@oceanbase.org) by www.oceanbase.org with HTTP; Tue, 24 May 2005 16:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3445.68.100.130.21.1116965950.squirrel@www.oceanbase.org> In-Reply-To: <1116944092l.1912l.0l@DirTecnica> References: <1116944092l.1912l.0l@DirTecnica> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [lang] Re: Esoteric languages preservation From: "Catatonic Porpoise" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh57.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - esoteric.sange.fi X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32145 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - oceanbase.org X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: graue@oceanbase.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang I'm the owner of the esolang wiki at esoteric.voxelperfect.net. I changed the license to public domain -- originally I'd wanted to copy articles from Wikipedia, but I decided they were mostly a mess and it was better to start from scratch. It runs MediaWiki, the software behind Wikipedia. I'd be glad to make weekly MySQL dumps available if there is actual demand for such. MySQL version 4.1.10 is used, with "latin1_swedish_ci" collation. There's an article about this at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_move_a_MediaWiki_Database, but it's probably not as hard as they make it sound. Please do write and improve articles there, and send me files if you want them preserved on the server. I had your same preservation goals in mind when I started the site. -graue -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 25 08:35:45 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DaoTr-0006Nj-D9; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:30:59 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Wed, 25 May 2005 08:30:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.206]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DaoTW-0006E4-FH for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:30:51 +0300 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so1136453wri for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:27:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cfJeQUtinlH8qnAe46jadKxkKr+WydfmtId7v3B9/p6++tk/+lDSnNEoe4V9MM6lcFf9Mf0J2gD7jfzKIitQ4Nj32KGqxlwiXtR9vXo1xkPgqJWWKSfzHnp32cTXA7lvKIw8/du5DQbb6R0DQ1Bckw6ZkRZSzVOg+3UBDP4X2/s= Received: by 10.54.46.37 with SMTP id t37mr1016474wrt; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.28.66 with HTTP; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:27:36 -0700 From: Rozencrantz the Sane To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Esoteric languages preservation In-Reply-To: <3445.68.100.130.21.1116965950.squirrel@www.oceanbase.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1116944092l.1912l.0l@DirTecnica> <3445.68.100.130.21.1116965950.squirrel@www.oceanbase.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rozencrantz@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang I'm very interested in this, I've seen a lot of languages die for one reason or another. One big language killer I've seen is lack of implementations, which I can't help with, but I'm a seasoned Wiki veteran so I'd gladly help document/garden the Wiki. For those of you who know the movie "El Norte": "I have strong arms" --=20 ~Tristan g'rozencrantz ">:#,_$82*1+2*,52*,@ rekcaH egnufeB rehtonA tsuJ -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 25 18:57:35 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DayDI-0004yi-Gg; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:54:32 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Wed, 25 May 2005 18:54:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([66.33.216.24]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DayCp-0004uF-JG for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:54:23 +0300 Received: from tron.dreamhost.com (tron.dreamhost.com [66.33.197.207]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A528313F884 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tron.dreamhost.com (Postfix, from userid 35408) id F4027920ED; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:51:29 -0500 From: Peter Harkins To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Esoteric languages preservation Message-ID: <20050525155129.GA294@malaprop.org> References: <1116944092l.1912l.0l@DirTecnica> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1116944092l.1912l.0l@DirTecnica> X-Date: Today is Setting Orange, the 72nd day of Discord in the YOLD 3171 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ph@malaprop.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 02:14:52PM +0000, Pedro Gimeno Fortea wrote: > We've been discussing on IRC the topic of preserving esoteric languages > from disappearing. I've been lurking on the list a few years (and know that I know about the IRC channel I can start lurking there, too) and am a fan of esoteric languages. I'm volunteering to host, mirror, or backup as needed. - -- Peter Harkins - ph at malaprop.org - http://malaprop.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: If you don't know what this is, it's OK to ignore it. iD8DBQFClJ8Aa6PWv6+ALKoRAoTKAJ4wxFgqA/TVVY82zm8xMLKiHGXyqwCfeeNX 7nc9mhlKmKA+Rhr+YOKdiQ8= =ljdX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 26 00:53:42 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Db3mC-0003CL-VC; Thu, 26 May 2005 00:50:57 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Thu, 26 May 2005 00:50:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [62.81.236.61] (helo=asmtp02.eresmas.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Db3li-000367-Lq for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 26 May 2005 00:50:49 +0300 Received: from [192.168.108.57] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Db3jI-0007zO-07 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:47:56 +0200 Received: from [80.59.211.124] (helo=DirTecnica) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Db3jH-0007sk-5F for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:47:55 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:48:00 +0000 From: Pedro Gimeno Fortea Subject: [lang] Evolution of the proposal To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.0 Message-Id: <1117057680l.1912l.3l@DirTecnica> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: usr352@wanadoo.es Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Hi all, Here's the current status: Graue came to IRC and we've had further discussion there. His site at is MediaWiki-based. I personally dislike MediaWiki for two reasons, its heavyweightness and the usage of a MySQL-based database (not because of MySQL itself but just for not being filesystem-based, which is in my opinion easier to manipulate). However, in the philosophy of keeping simple things simple I agree with continuing using that server; the preservation plan then reduces to downloading the database dump and the files. Full mirroring becomes optional according to that. Not my favourite option but at least it's one that may work (provided we have enough people periodically making backups of the server). Now we need volunteers to perform the backups. Calamari and myself are offering to make backups but not mirrors. Peter Harkins and Alan Dipert are willing to mirror the server. Chris Pressey's (reasonable) objection was that a simple FTP could serve for preservation and the wiki is a different matter. That's right, but Graue already split the server's pages in a wiki and a files directory to hold the files to preserve. The wiki is a way to preserve the information when there are no files, which may happen, and also to present the languages but yes, that's a different matter. The advantage of a wiki is that it can point to the original pages and is easy to edit in case a link moves. Now we need Graue to set up a mechanism for uploading files to the files/ directory. I'd also like to know his opinion about disabling anonymous editing. Nothing is still set in stone but we're approaching the stage of beginning to do the backups which will be the point-of-no-return. If someone has objections please express them now. Big thanks to everyone who is collaborating in this effort. When the hosting part is solved, which seems almost imminent, we will need some editors (there are some offers already) and permission from authors for posting their material in the files section. -- Pedro Gimeno -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 26 05:49:25 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Db8Ny-0001l0-TG; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:46:14 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Thu, 26 May 2005 05:46:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from sh57.surpasshosting.com ([72.29.74.67]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Db8Ne-0001hP-QF for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:46:07 +0300 Received: from thunder by sh57.surpasshosting.com with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Db8LO-0005pX-P6 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:43:34 -0400 Received: from 68.100.130.21 ([68.100.130.21]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user graue@oceanbase.org) by www.oceanbase.org with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1738.68.100.130.21.1117075414.squirrel@www.oceanbase.org> In-Reply-To: <1117057680l.1912l.3l@DirTecnica> References: <1117057680l.1912l.3l@DirTecnica> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [lang] Re: Evolution of the proposal From: "Catatonic Porpoise" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh57.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - esoteric.sange.fi X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32145 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - oceanbase.org X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: graue@oceanbase.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang > Now we need Graue to set up a mechanism for uploading files to the > files/ directory. How about a Subversion repository, readable by everyone (for making backups), writable by a few editors, automatically updated in that directory every eight hours? Subversion isn't my favorite RCS, but the server has it and I think it will fit this situation well. > I'd also like to know his opinion about disabling anonymous editing. It discourages new people who stumble upon the site from helping. I may consider it if more people have accounts and are using them, and if there is a spam problem. As of now all the contributions that weren't mine have come from non-logged-in users, except for user pages. Spam is not likely to be a huge problem. MediaWiki sets rel="nofollow" on all external links, meaning some search engines (notably Google) will not raise the linked site's relevance. So MediaWiki is not a good target for spammers. Note that all the old versions are available, and IP addresses are shown for all edits by non-logged-in users. -graue -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 26 16:11:07 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DbI60-0008AA-3x; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:08:20 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Thu, 26 May 2005 16:08:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from lakepoint.domeneshop.no ([194.63.248.54]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DbI5d-00086n-LU for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:08:12 +0300 Received: from [10.0.0.2] (163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com [80.202.100.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by lakepoint.domeneshop.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4QD5Qf0016593 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:05:26 +0200 Message-ID: <4295CA8C.8080701@krokodille.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:09:32 +0200 From: Rune Berge User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Evolution of the proposal References: <1117057680l.1912l.3l@DirTecnica> <1738.68.100.130.21.1117075414.squirrel@www.oceanbase.org> In-Reply-To: <1738.68.100.130.21.1117075414.squirrel@www.oceanbase.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rune@krokodille.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Catatonic Porpoise wrote: >>Now we need Graue to set up a mechanism for uploading files to the >>files/ directory. > > > How about a Subversion repository, readable by everyone (for making > backups), writable by a few editors, automatically updated in that > directory every eight hours? Subversion isn't my favorite RCS, but the > server has it and I think it will fit this situation well. I'm not familiar with Subversion, but here's what I think is needed: - The files should be publicly available without needing to log in. - Ideally, you should be able to run rsync or similar on the files hierarchy, so you don't have to download everything every time - It would be nice to be able to use the file upload functionality in the Wiki to put files there. If only editors can upload, it might not get used that much. (Btw. what is an editor here? Anyone with an account on the wiki, or a select few?) - It should be easy use the files in wiki pages. >>I'd also like to know his opinion about disabling anonymous editing. > > > It discourages new people who stumble upon the site from helping. I may > consider it if more people have accounts and are using them, and if there > is a spam problem. As of now all the contributions that weren't mine have > come from non-logged-in users, except for user pages. > > Spam is not likely to be a huge problem. MediaWiki sets rel="nofollow" on > all external links, meaning some search engines (notably Google) will not > raise the linked site's relevance. So MediaWiki is not a good target for > spammers. Note that all the old versions are available, and IP addresses > are shown for all edits by non-logged-in users. > -graue > I agree. Leave anonymous edititing in, at least until it becomes a problem. Though I prefer that people editing do it logged in, as it becomes easier to have discussions about the content if you know who wrote it... Anyway, it looks like there is a consensus on using MediaWiki now. But is it decided yet? If anybody has objections, they should come forward quickly, as it looks to me that we're almost there. Rune -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri May 27 00:45:30 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DbQ7J-0004HS-P7; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:42:13 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Fri, 27 May 2005 00:42:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from sh57.surpasshosting.com ([72.29.74.67]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DbQ6s-0004D2-E4 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:42:05 +0300 Received: from thunder by sh57.surpasshosting.com with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DbQ4X-0002Ks-3V for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:39:21 -0400 Received: from 68.100.130.21 ([68.100.130.21]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user graue@oceanbase.org) by www.oceanbase.org with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2672.68.100.130.21.1117143561.squirrel@www.oceanbase.org> In-Reply-To: <4295CA8C.8080701@krokodille.com> References: <1117057680l.1912l.3l@DirTecnica> <1738.68.100.130.21.1117075414.squirrel@www.oceanbase.org> <4295CA8C.8080701@krokodille.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [lang] Re: Evolution of the proposal From: "Catatonic Porpoise" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh57.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - esoteric.sange.fi X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32145 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - oceanbase.org X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: graue@oceanbase.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang > I'm not familiar with Subversion, but here's what I think is needed: > - The files should be publicly available without needing to log in. Yes, that's covered. The files will be visible over HTTP (with a delay in updates of 8 hours at most) and retrievable anonymously through Subversion (with no delay). > - Ideally, you should be able to run rsync or similar on the files > hierarchy, so you don't have to download everything every time When you do "svn up", it only downloads files that have changed. I'm not sure if it downloads changes or the whole file, but that's not likely to matter much. Most of the files should be textual, excluding (for instance) Piet programs. > - It would be nice to be able to use the file upload functionality in > the Wiki to put files there. If only editors can upload, it might not > get used that much. (Btw. what is an editor here? Anyone with an account > on the wiki, or a select few?) An editor is probably anyone who asks to be one and who has contributed to the esolang community. I don't think allowing anonymous changes in Subversion (or through a wiki upload feature) is practicable, but anyone can email files to an editor to add them. > - It should be easy use the files in wiki pages. It will be easy to link to them. Short text examples can be inserted inline. If you want an inline Piet program as an example, it could be duplicated in both places. > I agree. Leave anonymous edititing in, at least until it becomes a > problem. Though I prefer that people editing do it logged in, as it > becomes easier to have discussions about the content if you know who > wrote it... Yes, I too would prefer people sign in, but anonymous contributions are better than no contributions. -graue -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun May 29 05:50:39 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DcDpf-00012F-NS; Sun, 29 May 2005 05:47:19 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Sun, 29 May 2005 05:47:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [62.81.236.61] (helo=asmtp02.eresmas.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DcDpF-0000vr-CN for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 29 May 2005 05:47:12 +0300 Received: from [192.168.108.54] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp02.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DcDma-00043g-4j for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 29 May 2005 04:44:08 +0200 Received: from [80.59.211.124] (helo=DirTecnica) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1DcDmZ-0006cZ-I9 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 29 May 2005 04:44:07 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:43:33 +0000 From: Pedro Gimeno Fortea Subject: [lang] Final report and backups of the wiki To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.0 Message-Id: <1117334613l.20927l.1l@DirTecnica> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: usr352@wanadoo.es Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Well, it's definitive the use of Graue's server for the wiki and the files section. Apparently svn is the only mechanism he can offer for file uploads apart from the one offered by MediaWiki. Graue's opinion is that using the wiki to hold the files is not a good idea because of the lack of a directory hierarchy and I tend to agree with him. Graue, please notify the list as soon as you set up the database dump and the tarball for the wiki uploads, so we can start making the backups. -- Pedro Gimeno -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 04 10:49:05 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DeTLv-0002ML-GM; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:45:55 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:45:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from lakermmtao09.cox.net ([68.230.240.30]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DeTLX-000254-Iv for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:45:47 +0300 Received: from [192.168.1.109] (really [68.100.130.21]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050604074205.OLR6804.lakermmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.1.109]> for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 03:42:05 -0400 Subject: [lang] Sortle: new language based on insertion sort From: Catatonic Porpoise To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:42:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1117870921.13034.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: graue@oceanbase.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Hi everyone, I invented a new language based around insertion sort and I'm wondering if anyone is interested in helping me figure out how to write nontrivial programs in it. Basically, it works like this: Programs are lists of named expressions, which are maintained in sorted order. Expressions are evaluated in order, and each expression evaluates to a string which becomes the new name of the expression. Expressions can examine the contents of other expressions' names (in a very limited way) but not their own. This is the only form of data storage. When the program has only one expression left, that expression's name is displayed and the program ends. This is the only form of output. There are two ways to reduce the number of expressions: an expression can rename itself to another, clobbering the other one, or an expression can rename itself to "" and cease to exist. Full details here: http://www.oceanbase.org/graue/sortle/ I am willing to change the language if I can make it more interesting to use, but first I would like to see if anyone more creative than I can use it as is. Consider this a call for input and suggestions. A few enhancement ideas I am considering: - character classes for regexes, e.g. {0123456789} - capturing captures repeated elements, e.g. "(foo)!bar" vs. "foofoobar" captures "foofoo" rather than "foo" Seems like those might make the language friendlier to keeping track of numbers. Thanks, -graue -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 12 04:01:49 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhGp5-0004JJ-BZ; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:59:35 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:59:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [62.81.236.67] (helo=asmtp01.eresmas.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhGok-0004J3-M8 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:59:28 +0300 Received: from [192.168.108.62] (helo=mx01.eresmas.com) by asmtp01.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DhGoh-0001yF-H7 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 02:59:11 +0200 Received: from [80.59.211.124] (helo=DirTecnica) by mx01.eresmas.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1DhGoh-0002iE-9z for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 02:59:11 +0200 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:59:27 +0000 From: Pedro Gimeno Fortea Subject: [lang] Current status about backups To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.0 Message-Id: <1118537967l.8734l.0l@DirTecnica> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: usr352@wanadoo.es Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Hi all, Graue has set up a weekly database dump at this location: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/db/latest.sql.bz2 The backup will be updated "on sundays at about 00:01 UTC, maybe a little later", according to Graue. The uploaded files are not being backed up automatically, so those interested in mirroring, namely Peter Harkings and Alan Dipert, will have to figure out how to introduce them into their place each time they update the database. Apparently nobody else has come up in the call for keeping backups, so we are four people in total: Peter, Alan, Calamari and myself. Thanks everyone who's helping. -- Pedro Gimeno -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 12 14:49:31 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhQwH-0001uy-K4; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:47:41 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:47:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhQvs-0001uS-Lm for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:47:34 +0300 Received: from [85.48.68.161] (helo=termi.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DhQSe-0005u2-0A for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:17:04 -0400 From: "Jose E. Marchesi" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <17068.6882.77539.621181@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:22:10 +0200 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Current status about backups In-Reply-To: <1118537967l.8734l.0l@DirTecnica> References: <1118537967l.8734l.0l@DirTecnica> X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under Emacs 22.0.50.1 X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jemarch@gnu.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Hi. =20 Apparently nobody else has come up in the call for keeping backups,= so =20 we are four people in total: Peter, Alan, Calamari and myself. Than= ks =20 everyone who's helping. We could maintain a backup of the database somewhere on es.gnu.org, as long as all software referred is free software. --=20 Jos=E9 E. Marchesi GNU Espa=F1a http://es.gnu.org GNU No es Unix! http://www.gnu.org -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 12 16:14:30 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhSHM-00044q-06; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:13:32 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:13:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from lakepoint.domeneshop.no ([194.63.248.54]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhSGv-00044Q-AI for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:13:25 +0300 Received: from [10.0.0.2] (163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com [80.202.100.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by lakepoint.domeneshop.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5CDD3LM024042 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:13:03 +0200 Message-ID: <42AC3535.5030404@krokodille.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:14:29 +0200 From: Rune Berge User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Current status about backups References: <1118537967l.8734l.0l@DirTecnica> In-Reply-To: <1118537967l.8734l.0l@DirTecnica> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rune@krokodille.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang Pedro Gimeno Fortea wrote: > Apparently nobody else has come up in the call for keeping backups, so > we are four people in total: Peter, Alan, Calamari and myself. Thanks > everyone who's helping. I have set up a cron job for backing it up as well. It currently runs at 5 AM each monday. The backups are available here: http://rune.krokodille.com/lang/wiki-backup/ Rune -- To unsubscribe send a mail to listar@esoteric.sange.fi with a body of: unsubscribe lang [if you receive these messages via lang] unsubscribe misc [if you receive these messages via misc] From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 12 17:03:00 2005 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhT2d-0005Je-KF; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:02:23 +0300 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lang); Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:02:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from lakermmtao01.cox.net ([68.230.240.38]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhT2G-0005Iu-W6 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:02:16 +0300 Received: from [192.168.1.109] (really [68.100.130.21]) by lakermmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050612140127.YOMA11036.lakermmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.1.109]> for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:01:27 -0400 Subject: [lang] Re: Current status about backups From: Catatonic Porpoise To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <17068.6882.77539.621181@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <1118537967l.8734l.0l@DirTecnica> <17068.6882.77539.621181@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:01:26 -0400 Message-Id: <1118584887.9451.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: graue@oceanbase.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 13:22 +0200, Jose E. Marchesi wrote: > We could maintain a backup of the database somewhere on es.gnu.org, as > long as all software referred is free software. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The vast majority of programs in esoteric languages come with no distribution terms whatever. Many implementations do as well. The wiki itself is entirely public domain, however, if that means anything. 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