From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 01 03:53:10 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 172iLg-000DGD-00; Wed, 01 May 2002 03:52:00 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 01 May 2002 03:51:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 172iJI-000DG1-00; Wed, 01 May 2002 03:49:33 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 01 May 2002 03:49:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web12906.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 172iJ9-000DFv-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 01 May 2002 03:49:23 +0300 Message-ID: <20020501004920.79370.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.78.145.92] by web12906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:49:20 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] A new language: Summer 2002 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Summer 2002 is a non-deterministic, object-oriented, declarative, interpreted language, designed for ease of use as well as power. The language grammar is exceptionally simple. Objects are the only first-class citizens. Each object has a unique identifier - a (non case-sensitive) string of letters corresponding to an English noun. Objects can have any number of attributes, or properties, the identifiers for which are strings of letters corresponding to adjectives. Objects are created with either one of the reserved words "A" or "An". The declaration syntax is: "A", followed by any number of attributes, followed by the name of the object. Optional punctuation marks are permitted anywhere except between "A" or "An" and the first attribute, and in front of "A" (or "An"). Only one declaration per line is permitted, and each declaration has to fit on one line. Since Summer 2002 is a declarative language, the declaration syntax is all there is. Any line which doesn't start with an "A" or "An" is considered a comment and ignored. The program is interpreted as follows: the interpreter picks lines in random order, and for each line prints "Hello, ", followed by the list of attributes and the object declared on that line (With all original punctuation, except anything after the name of the object), followed by a "!". Simple, isn't it, for such a powerful language? Some example programs: -------------------------------------------- Hello world - this is almost mandatory. A world. -------------------------------------------- Result of execution of the above: ... Hello, world! ... -------------------------------------------- This shows the more advanced features. A bright, sunny day. A green apple. A silence. -------------------------------------------- One of the possible results of execution of the above: ... Hello, green apple! Hello, bright, sunny day! Hello, silence! ... Summer 2002 is extremely flexible and powerful. The following program achieves Turing-completeness in just one line of code! -------------------------------------------- Feel the power :) A Turing machine! -------------------------------------------- Result of execution of the above: ... Hello, Turing machine! ... Many complex programs can be written in Summer 2002. Here's an example: ------------------------------------------- This program is a palindrome! Credit for the palindrome itself goes to Dan Hoey A man A plan A caret A ban A myriad A sum A lac A liar A hoop A pint A catalpa A gas An oil A bird A yell A vat A caw A pax A wag A tax A nay A ram A cap A yam A gay A tsar A wall A car A luger A ward A bin A woman A vassal A wolf A tuna A nit A pall A fret A watt A bay A daub A tan A cab A datum A gall A hat A fag A zap A say A jaw A lay A wet A gallop A tug A trot A trap A tram A torr A caper A top A tonk A toll A ball A fair A sax A minim A tenor A bass A passer A capital A rut An amen A ted A cabal A tang A sun An ass A maw A sag A jam A dam A sub A salt An axon A sail An ad A wadi A radian A room A rood A rip A tad A pariah A revel A reel A reed A pool A plug A pin A peek A parabola A dog A pat A cud A nu A fan A pal A rum A nod An eta A lag An eel A batik A mug A mot A nap A maxim A mood A leek A grub A gob A gel A drab A citadel A total A cedar A tap A gag A rat A manor A bar A gal A cola A pap A yaw A tab A raj A gab A nag A pagan A bag A jar A bat A way A papa A local A gar A baron A mat A rag A gap A tar A decal A tot A led A tic A bard A leg A bog A burg A keel A doom A mix A map An atom A gum A kit A baleen A gala A ten A don A mural A pan A faun A ducat A pagoda A lob A rap A keep A nip A gulp A loop A deer A leer A lever A hair A pad A tapir A door A moor An aid A raid A wad An alias An ox An atlas A bus A madam A jag A saw A mass An anus A gnat A lab A cadet An em A natural A tip A caress A pass A baronet A minimax A sari A fall A ballot A knot A pot A rep A carrot A mart A part A tort A gut A poll A gateway A law A jay A sap A zag A fat A hall A gamut A dab A can A tabu A day A batt A waterfall A patina A nut A flow A lass A van A mow A nib A draw A regular A call A war A stay A gam A yap A cam A ray An ax A tag A wax A paw A cat A valley A drib A lion A saga A plat A catnip A pooh A rail A calamus A dairyman A bater A canal - Panama. ------------------------------------------- The result of the execution will vary wildly depending on the person and circumstances. I have not written the interpreter, but writing one should be quite straightforward. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 01 22:45:07 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17301p-000Fm6-00; Wed, 01 May 2002 22:44:41 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 01 May 2002 22:44:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 172zzZ-000Flx-00; Wed, 01 May 2002 22:42:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 01 May 2002 22:42:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 172zzR-000Flr-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 01 May 2002 22:42:13 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-248-164.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.248.164]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14A837CED for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 21:42:10 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3CD0491C.949F85D4@dds.nl> Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 21:59:24 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Esoteric languages Subject: [lang] [Essies] Well? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc It's been more than an eighth of a year since the deadline. When are going to get some results? From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri May 03 12:33:15 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173ZQG-000Pck-00; Fri, 03 May 2002 12:32:17 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 03 May 2002 12:32:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173ZOM-000PcC-00; Fri, 03 May 2002 12:30:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 03 May 2002 12:30:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173ZOE-000Pc3-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 03 May 2002 12:30:10 +0300 Received: from dozer (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g439Tus00551; Fri, 3 May 2002 02:29:56 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi, Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 02:30:59 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <20020501004920.79370.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020501004920.79370.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200205030230.59945.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tuesday 30 April 2002 05:49 pm, Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote: > Summer 2002 is extremely flexible and powerful. The following program > achieves Turing-completeness in just one line of code! > > -------------------------------------------- > Feel the power :) > > A Turing machine! > -------------------------------------------- > Result of execution of the above: > ... > Hello, Turing machine! This feels curiously familiar. :-) Here's my suggestion for an interpreter, in sh: --- #!/bin/sh cat $1 | sed 's/An? \(.*\)[.!?]*/Hello, \1!/g' --- -Cliff From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat May 04 01:26:25 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173lVI-00028n-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 01:26:16 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 04 May 2002 01:26:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173lUR-00028g-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 01:25:23 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 04 May 2002 01:25:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.181]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173lUJ-00028Z-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 May 2002 01:25:15 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-233-119.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.233.119]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F06D8A3511 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 00:25:13 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rebecca.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3CD312A2.57F4FD36@dds.nl> Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 00:43:46 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 References: <20020501004920.79370.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com> <200205030230.59945.cbiffle@safety.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > On Tuesday 30 April 2002 05:49 pm, Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote: > > Summer 2002 is extremely flexible and powerful. The following program > > achieves Turing-completeness in just one line of code! > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > Feel the power :) > > > > A Turing machine! > > -------------------------------------------- > > Result of execution of the above: > > ... > > Hello, Turing machine! > > This feels curiously familiar. :-) HQ9+ :) > Here's my suggestion for an interpreter, in sh: > --- > #!/bin/sh > cat $1 | sed 's/An? \(.*\)[.!?]*/Hello, \1!/g' > --- I also thought about something like that, but it's non-deterministic, remember? From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat May 04 04:15:46 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173o8z-0003NG-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 04:15:26 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 04 May 2002 04:15:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173o8R-0003N6-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 04:14:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 04 May 2002 04:14:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web12902.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.69]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173o8J-0003N0-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 May 2002 04:14:43 +0300 Message-ID: <20020504011440.43340.qmail@web12902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.78.145.92] by web12902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2002 18:14:40 PDT Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:14:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <3CD312A2.57F4FD36@dds.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc --- Milo van Handel wrote: > Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > Feel the power :) > > > > > > A Turing machine! > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > Result of execution of the above: > > > ... > > > Hello, Turing machine! > > > > This feels curiously familiar. :-) > > HQ9+ :) In HQ9+, you had to add an instruction to implement Turing-completness. Here, the expressiveness of the language is so great that no additions to the language are needed: note that "A Turing Machine" is not a reserved keyword, like it would be in HQT9+. > > #!/bin/sh > > cat $1 | sed 's/An? \(.*\)[.!?]*/Hello, \1!/g' Even ignoring the non-determinism, it won't work, because \(.*\) expands to eat the whole string, and [.!?]* will match the empty string remaining. Does anyone know how to solve this problem? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat May 04 05:55:27 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173phg-0003Zw-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 05:55:20 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 04 May 2002 05:55:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173phA-0003Zn-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 05:54:48 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 04 May 2002 05:54:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.99]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173ph2-0003Zh-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 May 2002 05:54:41 +0300 Received: from KiwiCado23@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id o.98.2556203f (25916) for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 22:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: KiwiCado23@aol.com Message-ID: <98.2556203f.2a04a766@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:54:30 EDT Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: KiwiCado23@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: KiwiCado23@aol.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc would changing \(.*\) to \(.*[^.?!]\) have the desired effect? From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat May 04 06:12:49 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173pyY-0003eS-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 06:12:46 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 04 May 2002 06:12:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173pyJ-0003eM-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 06:12:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 04 May 2002 06:12:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from static-dialup-isdn-ana.cu.soltec.net ([64.5.68.221] helo=study.anacroatan.org) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173pyB-0003eG-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 May 2002 06:12:24 +0300 Received: from justin by study.anacroatan.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 173qIZ-0002Q0-00 for ; Fri, 03 May 2002 22:33:27 -0500 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] summer 2002 shell script Message-Id: From: justin@anacroatan.org Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 22:33:27 -0500 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > > > #!/bin/sh > > > cat $1 | sed 's/An? \(.*\)[.!?]*/Hello, \1!/g' > Even ignoring the non-determinism, it won't work, because \(.*\) expands to eat > the whole string, and [.!?]* will match the empty string remaining. Does anyone > know how to solve this problem? how about -- #!/bin/sh sed 's/[Aa]\([Nn]\)* /Hello, / s/$/!/' $1 -- ? it works for all the stuff I tried - is it up to spec? oh, you could make it tac instead of cat if {wc -c `head /dev/random`} is greater than {wc -c `head /dev/random`} to throw some indeterminacy in there or something like that. otherwise we might as well spawn one less process, I figure. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat May 04 07:02:02 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173qk2-0003kL-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 07:01:50 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 04 May 2002 07:01:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173qjk-0003kF-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 07:01:32 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 04 May 2002 07:01:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web12903.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.70]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173qjd-0003k9-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 May 2002 07:01:25 +0300 Message-ID: <20020504040123.9266.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.78.145.92] by web12903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2002 21:01:23 PDT Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <98.2556203f.2a04a766@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc --- KiwiCado23@aol.com wrote: > would changing \(.*\) to \(.*[^.?!]\) have the desired effect? Yes. Thanks. The script is, then, --- #!/bin/sh cat $1 | sed -n 's/^An\?\(.*[^.?!]\)[.?!]*/Hello\1!/p' --- which seems to take care of everything except non-determinism. Heh. Regexps are so weird. And ugly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat May 04 07:10:04 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173qry-0003oY-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 07:10:02 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 04 May 2002 07:09:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173qro-0003oS-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 07:09:53 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 04 May 2002 07:09:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web12904.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.71]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173qrh-0003oM-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 May 2002 07:09:45 +0300 Message-ID: <20020504040943.68366.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.78.145.92] by web12904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2002 21:09:43 PDT Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <20020504040123.9266.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc --- Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote: > Yes. Thanks. The script is, then, > > --- > #!/bin/sh > cat $1 | sed -n 's/^An\?\(.*[^.?!]\)[.?!]*/Hello\1!/p' > --- Err, make that #!/bin/sh cat $1 | sed -n 's/^An\?\(.*[^.?!]\).*/Hello\1!/p' much better :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat May 04 14:52:23 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173y4w-0004oE-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 14:51:54 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 04 May 2002 14:51:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173y2t-0004nz-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 14:49:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 04 May 2002 14:49:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173y2l-0004nt-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 May 2002 14:49:39 +0300 Received: from user-38ld90j.dsl.mindspring.com ([209.86.164.19] helo=zess) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173y2i-0005Ah-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 May 2002 07:49:37 -0400 Message-ID: <013101c1f361$2cd5f040$4fc3fea9@zess> From: "Michael Feathers" To: References: <20020504040943.68366.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [lang] Proposal Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 07:45:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mfeathers@objectmentor.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mfeathers@objectmentor.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Here's a simple one... Anyone ever taken a real language and invert the semantics of all of the expressions? Just reverse addition and subtraction, multiplication and division, invert boolean evaluation, etc. I keep thinking of Douglas Adams and his reciexclusive number system.... so we could have a language which does anything other than what the program listed would lead you to believe. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat May 04 15:16:12 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173ySF-0004v0-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 15:15:59 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 04 May 2002 15:15:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173yQU-0004ub-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 15:14:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 04 May 2002 15:14:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from smtp-out-2.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.254] helo=mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 173yQN-0004uV-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 04 May 2002 15:14:03 +0300 Received: from mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.69) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CD2B8CC00050DDB for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 4 May 2002 14:14:02 +0200 Received: from there (80.11.67.127) by mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CD0C9D8001F1FBE for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 4 May 2002 14:14:02 +0200 Message-ID: <3CD0C9D8001F1FBE@> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jerome Quelin To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Proposal Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 14:14:51 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20020504040943.68366.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> <013101c1f361$2cd5f040$4fc3fea9@zess> In-Reply-To: <013101c1f361$2cd5f040$4fc3fea9@zess> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jquelin@wanadoo.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jquelin@wanadoo.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Samedi 4 Mai 2002 13:45, Michael Feathers wrote : > Anyone ever taken a real language and invert the semantics of all of the > expressions? Just reverse addition and subtraction, multiplication and > division, invert boolean evaluation, etc. One would have to invert also the digits: But how should we do that: 1. 0 would mean 9, 1 <=> 8, 2 <=> 7, 3 <=> 6 and 4 <=> 5 2. or invert the bits in the binary representation of the number 3. or another way of doing this... The same way, you should invert the meaning of letters: a <=> z, etc. And, there's the particular instruction "reverse". If you provide a reversed "reverse" instruction, then this reversed instruction would do... nothing. This is interesting, since this would imply that acceding the variable foo would in fact get the _reversed_ value of its content... It begins to be quite hard (and potentially fun! :) ). Jerome -- jquelin@wanadoo.fr From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon May 06 04:11:16 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 174Wz7-000AlN-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 04:08:13 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 06 May 2002 04:08:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 174Wvi-000Al6-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 04:04:42 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 06 May 2002 04:04:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com ([169.197.56.195]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 174Wva-000Al0-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 06 May 2002 04:04:34 +0300 Received: from andromeda (andromeda.azstarnet.com [169.197.53.210]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09992 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 18:04:16 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 18:04:16 -0700 (MST) From: Jeff Johnston X-X-Sender: To: Subject: [lang] [ESO] ESOBOOT 1.10 In-Reply-To: <3CD0C9D8001F1FBE@> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jeffryj@azstarnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jeffryj@azstarnet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hi, Was having some fun with the boot sector. I have completely revamped it. Now it is somewhat FAT12 compliant (but not completely, wouldn't want to be TOO good ;) Aslo it actually is able to load the ESO KERNEL (when one is written). Right now the kernel just prints "!" so I know it gets to it. Get ESOBOOT 1.10 here: http://www.azstarnet.com/~jeffryj/esofunk.html I've also added some incomplete docs and sources for other elements of the ESO (IFS,MCP,CONSOLE,ESOFUNK). Comments welcome. Enjoy, Jeff From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 08 18:28:11 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175TLM-000GB1-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:27:04 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 08 May 2002 18:26:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175TIn-000GAo-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:24:25 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 08 May 2002 18:24:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.16.6.108] (helo=frox25.dhs.org) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175TId-000GAi-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:24:16 +0300 Received: (qmail 37155 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 14:57:08 -0000 Received: from heartw.ih (10.0.17.4) by nova.ih with SMTP; 8 May 2002 14:57:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:17:54 +0400 From: Mtv Europe X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.49) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <591580221237.20020508191754@frox25.dhs.org> To: Nikita Ayzikovsky CC: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 In-reply-To: <20020504040943.68366.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020504040943.68366.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc A Nikita. Saturday, May 04, 2002, 8:09:43 AM, you wrote: > #!/bin/sh > cat $1 | sed -n 's/^An\?\(.*[^.?!]\).*/Hello\1!/p' > much better :) This script is imho more strict: #!/usr/bin/perl -pe '$_ x=s/^An?([^.?!]*).*/Hello,$1!/' And this adds nondeterminism as required in original specification: #!/usr/bin/perl -n splice@.,rand@.,0,$_ x=s/^An?([^.?!]*).*/Hello,$1!/}{print@. I wonder what Jerome will answer :) ---- Mtv Europe From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 08 18:40:45 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175TYL-000GFp-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:40:29 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 08 May 2002 18:40:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175TXw-000GFf-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:40:05 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 08 May 2002 18:39:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from smtp-out-4.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.23] helo=mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175TXk-000GFZ-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:39:57 +0300 Received: from mel-rta7.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.61) by mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CD2B96E00248F8F for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:39:49 +0200 Received: from there (217.128.4.154) by mel-rta7.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CD0C97C0035AE33 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 8 May 2002 17:39:49 +0200 Message-ID: <3CD0C97C0035AE33@> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jerome Quelin To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:40:30 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20020504040943.68366.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> <591580221237.20020508191754@frox25.dhs.org> In-Reply-To: <591580221237.20020508191754@frox25.dhs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jquelin@wanadoo.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jquelin@wanadoo.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mercredi 8 Mai 2002 17:17, Mtv Europe wrote : > #!/usr/bin/perl -n > splice@.,rand@.,0,$_ x=3Ds/^An?([^.?!]*).*/Hello,$1!/}{print@. > > I wonder what Jerome will answer :) I joined the fun of esoteric only recently... So I don't know what the sc= ript=20 is supposed to be. (ie, which input/output). Btw, I thought golfing was finished till next month? ;) Jer=F4me --=20 jquelin@wanadoo.fr From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 08 19:00:01 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175TrA-000GIU-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:59:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 08 May 2002 18:59:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175Tqv-000GIO-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:59:41 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 08 May 2002 18:59:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.16.6.108] (helo=frox25.dhs.org) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175Tqn-000GII-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 08 May 2002 18:59:33 +0300 Received: (qmail 37588 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 15:32:27 -0000 Received: from heartw.ih (10.0.17.4) by nova.ih with SMTP; 8 May 2002 15:32:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:53:13 +0400 From: Mtv Europe X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.49) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1641582340548.20020508195313@frox25.dhs.org> To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 In-reply-To: <3CD0C97C0035AE33@> References: <20020504040943.68366.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> <591580221237.20020508191754@frox25.dhs.org> <3CD0C97C0035AE33@> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello Jerome! Wednesday, May 08, 2002, 7:40:30 PM, you wrote: > I joined the fun of esoteric only recently... So I don't know what the script > is supposed to be. (ie, which input/output). It's for some simple esoteric language. > Btw, I thought golfing was finished till next month? ;) Just an interseasonal limbering-up and training to be in shape :) ---- Mtv Europe From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 08 22:59:50 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175Xb1-000Gv1-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:59:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 08 May 2002 22:59:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175XaQ-000Guv-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:58:54 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 08 May 2002 22:58:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web12901.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.68]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175XaH-000Gup-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:58:46 +0300 Message-ID: <20020508195842.17591.qmail@web12901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.78.145.92] by web12901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 12:58:42 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <591580221237.20020508191754@frox25.dhs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc --- Mtv Europe wrote: > A Nikita. Hello Nikita! :) > > #!/bin/sh > > cat $1 | sed -n 's/^An\?\(.*[^.?!]\).*/Hello\1!/p' > > This script is imho more strict: > > #!/usr/bin/perl -pe '$_ x=s/^An?([^.?!]*).*/Hello,$1!/' EWWW perl ;) How is it more strict? Anyway I think it's broken, ([^.?!]*) will stop at the first punctuation mark, but punctuation is allowed between words (A bright! sunny! day!). Not that I know much about perl and EREs, correct me if i'm wrong. > And this adds nondeterminism as required in original specification: > > #!/usr/bin/perl -n > splice@.,rand@.,0,$_ x=s/^An?([^.?!]*).*/Hello,$1!/}{print@. Eww perl again :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 08 23:19:42 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175Xtu-000H0g-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:19:02 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 08 May 2002 23:18:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175Xtb-000H0V-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:18:43 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 08 May 2002 23:18:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.16.6.108] (helo=frox25.dhs.org) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175XtU-000H0O-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:18:36 +0300 Received: (qmail 40513 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 19:51:25 -0000 Received: from heartw.ih (10.0.17.4) by nova.ih with SMTP; 8 May 2002 19:51:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:12:04 +0400 From: Mtv Europe X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.49) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <491597874812.20020509001204@frox25.dhs.org> To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 In-reply-To: <20020508195842.17591.qmail@web12901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020508195842.17591.qmail@web12901.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello Nikita! Wednesday, May 08, 2002, 11:58:42 PM, you wrote: >>> cat $1 | sed -n 's/^An\?\(.*[^.?!]\).*/Hello\1!/p' >> #!/usr/bin/perl -pe '$_ x=s/^An?([^.?!]*).*/Hello,$1!/' > Anyway I think it's broken, ([^.?!]*) will stop at the first punctuation mark, > but punctuation is allowed between words (A bright! sunny! day!). Not that I > know much about perl and EREs, correct me if i'm wrong. Oops, I misread specification, (.*[^.?!]).* is correct. ---- Mtv Europe From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 08 23:32:08 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175Y6N-000H2o-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:31:55 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 08 May 2002 23:31:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175Y6C-000H2h-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:31:44 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 08 May 2002 23:31:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175Y65-000H2b-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:31:37 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-239-22.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.239.22]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4311837B9F for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:31:24 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3CD9903B.DB639BA4@dds.nl> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:53:15 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 References: <20020508195842.17591.qmail@web12901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote: > > A Nikita. > Hello Nikita! :) I think this is going wrong here... You're supposed to put your own name after the "A" or "An", so that the replyer (if that's a word - well, it is now) will greet you correctly. There's little point in greeting yourself... So my correct line now would be: A Milo. Also, if these lines are treated as Summer 2002 commands, does that mean the rest of the email is comments and should be ignored? > > > #!/bin/sh > > > cat $1 | sed -n 's/^An\?\(.*[^.?!]\).*/Hello\1!/p' > > > > This script is imho more strict: > > > > #!/usr/bin/perl -pe '$_ x=s/^An?([^.?!]*).*/Hello,$1!/' > > EWWW perl ;) Agreed. > Anyway I think it's broken, ([^.?!]*) will stop at the first punctuation mark, > but punctuation is allowed between words (A bright! sunny! day!). Not that I > know much about perl and EREs, correct me if i'm wrong. I'm assuming that "s/^An?([^.?!]*).*/Hello,$1!/" means the same as it does in sed, plus or minus that no two regular expression implementations ever quite agree on which special characters are backslashed and which aren't (and that the \1 turns into a $1, but I know just enough perl to know that $s are used for variables, so this change makes sense), in which case you're right. The original sed version was correct, though. Also, if I type something like "Abracadabra", I don't think it should be answered with "Hello,bracadabra", so that's another mistake. > > And this adds nondeterminism as required in original specification: > > > > #!/usr/bin/perl -n > > splice@.,rand@.,0,$_ x=s/^An?([^.?!]*).*/Hello,$1!/}{print@. > > Eww perl again :) Agreed again. What does this stuff actually mean? You see, perl was made with to goal to be an actually useful language (to avoid flamewars, I am not making any statements about whether this goal has been achieved), so it's uninteresting to the esoteric community (see the Essies rules), no matter how esoteric the syntax. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 08 23:41:59 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175YG5-000H83-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:41:58 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 08 May 2002 23:41:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175YFw-000H7w-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:41:48 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 08 May 2002 23:41:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web12906.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175YFn-000H7q-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:41:39 +0300 Message-ID: <20020508204136.42305.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.78.145.92] by web12906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 13:41:36 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <3CD9903B.DB639BA4@dds.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc --- Milo van Handel wrote: > A Milo. Hello, Milo! > Also, if these lines are treated as Summer 2002 commands, does that mean the > rest > of the email is comments and should be ignored? Certainly, but that doesn't prevent you from treating the text of the message as a polyglot program - say, a Summer 2002 - English polyglot. > Also, if I type something like "Abracadabra", I don't think it should be > answered > with "Hello,bracadabra", so that's another mistake. Oops. Then the sed command should be sed -n 's/^An\?\( .*[^.?!]\).*/Hello,\1!/p' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 08 23:45:10 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175YJB-000H9T-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:45:09 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 08 May 2002 23:45:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175YJ3-000H9I-00; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:45:01 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 08 May 2002 23:44:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.16.6.108] (helo=frox25.dhs.org) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175YIw-000H9C-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 08 May 2002 23:44:54 +0300 Received: (qmail 40809 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 20:17:43 -0000 Received: from heartw.ih (10.0.17.4) by nova.ih with SMTP; 8 May 2002 20:17:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:38:22 +0400 From: Mtv Europe X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.49) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1551599452615.20020509003822@frox25.dhs.org> To: Milo van Handel CC: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 In-reply-To: <3CD9903B.DB639BA4@dds.nl> References: <20020508195842.17591.qmail@web12901.mail.yahoo.com> <3CD9903B.DB639BA4@dds.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello, Milo! Thursday, May 09, 2002, 12:53:15 AM, you wrote: > A Milo. > Also, if these lines are treated as Summer 2002 commands, does that mean the rest > of the email is comments and should be ignored? :) >> Eww perl again :) > Agreed again. What does this stuff actually mean? You see, perl was made with > to goal to be an actually useful language (to avoid flamewars, I am not making > any statements about whether this goal has been achieved), so it's uninteresting > to the esoteric community (see the Essies rules), no matter how esoteric the > syntax. Ok, sorry, everybody. Befunge next time. ---- Mtv Europe From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 09 12:24:44 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175k9w-000JGa-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 12:24:24 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 09 May 2002 12:24:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175k92-000JGT-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 12:23:28 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 09 May 2002 12:23:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from smtp-out-3.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.233] helo=mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175k8g-000JGN-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 09 May 2002 12:23:06 +0300 Received: from mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.193) by mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CD2B91F002C9004 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:23:01 +0200 Received: from there (217.128.4.154) by mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CD0C9A7003E6777 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 9 May 2002 11:23:01 +0200 Message-ID: <3CD0C9A7003E6777@> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Jerome Quelin To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] No matter the language, programming is fun! [long] Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:23:44 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jquelin@wanadoo.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jquelin@wanadoo.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hi folks, Maybe you don't know about it, but there's a Perl Golf tournament each month (see http://perlgolf.sourceforge.net). What is Perl Golf? You are given a problem, and you must solve it (in Perl) with the fewest amount of characters. The shortest program. The analogy with real Golf is obvious (the fewer the better), hence the name. This kind of contest leads to very much fun, and really crazy solutions. If you felt offended when you saw the trivial regex presented in the "Summer 2002" thread, then don't go there: you'll loose your mental health. =<:o) As always, the new contest began on the 1st of the month. There were two problems submitted, one of them was the "Kolakoski" numbers (self describing numbers, see the link http://perlgolf.sourceforge.net/TPR/0/3/ for more details). The program was to print the n first numbers of the Kolakoski number build with two digits provided Anyway, I won't go into details about Perl Golf and the solutions - there is another mailing list for those nifty grifty details. This mail is about a particular experience I had within this tournament. In a moment of intense frustration (yeah, it's very tough to be stuck at a given score and to see other people improve their score and take you some places on the leaderboard), I decided to write a bilingual entry for the problem, that would work either in C or in Perl. I started with the stub: #include #include #define $ /* "*/ main (int argc, char *argv[]) //"; { } The preprocessor lines are comments for Perl, so far so good. As Perl vars begin with a dollar sign ($), I had to define it to the empty string. Since Perl allows to access the variable "$var" as "$ var" (you can include a space between the dollar and the name of the var), by defining $ in C as the empty string will allow "$ foo" to access the var $foo in Perl and foo in C. I then open a comment, in which I place a quote (") in order to declare the main function in C. This way, Perl will see the instruction: "*/\nmain (int argc, char *argv[]) //"; which is valid, but would raise a "Useless use of a constant..." if we were under warnings (-w switch). But since we're not, we're safe. We close the Perl string transparently for C with the new C-style comment //. We then open the braces, who begin the main function in C, and an anonymous bloc in Perl. Now, I had to address a few tricks. First, arguments can be accessed with ARGV in Perl, but they are stored in argv in C. That's why I'm forced to: #define ARGV argv and then I can access the ARGV variable in C. One more trick with the ARGV var: C's first argument is arg[1], but Perl's first argument is in $ARGV[0]. No problem, I just need to "unshift" an argument in @ARGV in Perl. I need to include this instruction in the C comment, since this is not valid C syntax. A last problem: C argv is a string array, and since I'm waiting for integer, I need to transform them into integer, using the C atoi() function. But Perl does not care about such hacks: a string can be interpreted as a number (and vice-versa) without adding extra stuff. So I need to declare: sub atoi{ $_[0] } that will return the first argument. This way, atoi( $var ) will be a no-op in Perl. Okay, let's recapitulate so far. My program stub looks like this: #include #include #define ARGV argv #define $ /* unshift @ARGV, "foo"; sub atoi{ $_[0] } "*/ main (int argc, char *argv[]) //"; { } Now, we just need to fill in the program. And it's kinda easy, since C and Perl share quite the same syntax. First, let's declare our C vars: int $ tab[atoi( $ ARGV[3])]; int $ i; int $ which, $ offset; $ which = $ offset = 1; $ tab [1] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which ] ); Those are valid Perl instruction (although they would issue a warning "Useless use..." if we were under warnings), so Perl won't complain. The last two lines show you an example of accessing vars both in C and Perl. Let's use the printf function (Perl and C valid): printf("%d", $ tab[1]); And a for loop a-la-C: for( $ i = 2; $ i <= atoi( $ ARGV[3] ) ; $ i++ ) { $ tab[ $ offset ] -= 1; if ( $ tab[ $ offset ] == 0 ) { $ offset++; $ which = ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; } printf("%d", $ tab[ $ i ] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which ] ) ); } This is really straight-forward once the beginning has been explained (and once you realize that auto-in/decrement are valid both in Perl and C). So I won't go in details (the algorithm itself is the one I used for my Perl only solution, and I won't explain it here, I assume you're smart enough to understand it)... We just need to print a final \n: printf("\n"); And here we are, with a bilingual Perl/C program: #include #include #define ARGV argv #define $ /* unshift @ARGV, "foo"; sub atoi{ $_[0] } "*/ main (int argc, char *argv[]) //"; { int $ tab[atoi( $ ARGV[3])]; int $ i; int $ which, $ offset; $ which = $ offset = 1; $ tab [1] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which ] ); printf("%d", $ tab[1]); for( $ i = 2; $ i <= atoi( $ ARGV[3] ) ; $ i++ ) { $ tab[ $ offset ] -= 1; if ( $ tab[ $ offset ] == 0 ) { $ offset++; $ which = ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; } printf("%d", $ tab[ $ i ] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which ] ) ); } printf("\n"); } This way, you can take this file, and treat it like this: $ perl kola.pl or: $ gcc kola.c -o kola $ ./kola I was pretty satisfied, but in fact, I realized that this wasn't too much a work since another guy made such a program for a past tournament (even if this problem was a little bit trickier). That's why I didn't submit it. But I was in my weird-mood. As a Befunge fan, I thought it would be fun to propose a Befunge version of the program. Once said, I ran into it. For those of you who don't know what Befunge is (on an Esoteric mailing-list? tsk tsk), it's a topological language on a 2D cartesian Lahey space. This simply means that in Befunge, you can move your instruction pointer as you want: from left to right (as in other regular languages), from right to left, from top to bottom, from bottom to top, and even in diagonal. This allows us for a whole new _dimension_ in coding (and obfuscation by the same way ;) ). In Befunge, every character is an instruction (you can find the whole set of instructions at http://dufflebunk.iwarp.com/JSFunge/spec98.html), but I wrote a straight-forward implementation of the Kolakoski problem in Befunge: 2ep 1ep :0ep :0fp '0+, v > 2eg 1- : 2ep !#v_ 4eg : fg 1- \ fp 4eg fg #v _ 3eg ! 3ep 4eg 1+ 4ep v v pe30 < a > 04ep 05ep ^ pf pe5 :+1 ge5 , +0' : ge ge3 < < q (Warning, the number of spaces is important, since if the columns are not aligned, you break the instruction flow!) I was pretty much happy with this. In fact, I was so happy, I wanted to submit it to the refs. But the refs needed a Perl solution! Dilemma? Not really, since I wrote a Perl Inline::Befunge module. I just needed to wrap my Befunge solution, like this: #!perl use Inline Befunge => <<'END_OF_CODE'; v;alok:; > 2ep 1ep :0ep :0fp '0+, v > 2eg 1- : 2ep !#v_ 4eg : fg 1- \ fp 4eg fg #v _ 3eg ! 3ep 4eg 1+ 4ep v v pe30 < a > 04ep 05ep ^ pf pe5 :+1 ge5 , +0' : ge ge3 < < q END_OF_CODE kola(@ARGV); I tried it, and it worked. But as I was submitting it, I realized that Inline::Befunge is not a standard module of Perl (ie, included with the core), and the refs will reject it since the contest only allows standard modules... Uh, I was desperate! Then, _the_ big idea: what about including the Befunge solution in my bilingual solution, making it a _trilingual_ solution? That was really a _terrific_ idea! And it wasn't such a difficult idea: I only needed to include it in a C / Perl comment, and move my instruction pointer at the beginning of the Befunge code. The tricky part is to move the instruction pointer before doing anything. To understand what's going on, please remember that in Befunge, every character is an instruction. Another important rule is: "if the instruction pointer encounter an unknown instruction (an unknown character), then the velocity (the direction in which the instruction pointer moves) is reversed". That is, if running from left to right, it will go from right to left, and vice-versa. Idem for other velocities (vertical and diagonal). The last important rule is that the instruction pointer begins at the top-left corner (coordinates (0,0)) with a velocity of (1,0) (ie, from left to right). All I have to do now, is to write a line at the top of my file (remember, Befunge starts at (0,0)), with valid Befunge instructions (otherwise the direction would be changed). This line should be ignored by both C and Perl. The solution was to include a preprocessor line, followed by a C comment, such as the one we saw earlier. I could use #ifdef or #ifndef, but those would force me to close the comments with #endif, which I did not want. I could use #define, but the "i" instruction (remember, all Befunge instructions are characters) will try to include a file which name is on the stack (Befunge is a stack based language), and if the file does not exist, the instruction pointer's velocity would be reversed... Damn, #define was not a good choice. Then I thought about #include. You'll say that we run in the same problem, because of the "i". In fact, we're not, since the "#" instruction (yes, "#" is a valid Befunge instruction) makes Befunge skip the next instruction. So "#include" is in fact understood as "nclude" by Befunge. This seems pretty interesting, but alas! the "u" instruction allows us to play with the stacks stack (we can have a stack of stacks in Befunge-98), and if there's only one stack defined (and we create stacks with the "{" instruction), then "u" will reverse the velocity... Argh, we don't have much choice left... Must I find another way of doing it? No, because #undef is there! "#" will cause the "u" instruction to be skipped, and ndef only play with the stack. Hurrah! :) I just need to insert the following: #undef fff /* n Befunge code goes here... I had to choose the indentifier to be undef carefully, in order for Befunge to work the way I want. That's why capital letters were forbidden. / and * are valid instructions who perform multiplication and division (with values popped from the stack). The only thing I need is to add a "n" in order to clear the stack. And my Befunge code inserted after runs very smoothly, great! I just reformatted the Befunge part, taking advantage of the facility to play with the velocity, in order to present a code fitting in 80 columns. I proposed my trilingual solution to the refs: #undef fff /* n a9+y >#v_ 0> \ : #v_ $ :0ep :0fp '0+, v " ^ < ^+-0'\*a\< >\a*\'0-+v ve50pe40pe30 pe2 $ _v# ! : \ < 0 pe1 $ _^# ! : \ < 0 < p >\a*\'0-+^ > 2eg 1- : 2ep !#v_ 4eg : fg 1- \ fp 4eg fg #v _ 3eg ! 3ep 4eg 1+ 4ep v a ^ pf pe5 :+1 ge5 , +0' : ge ge3 < < q */ //"; #include #define ARGV argv #define $ /* unshift @ARGV, "foo"; sub atoi{ $_[0] } "*/ main (int argc, char *argv[]) //"; { int $ tab[atoi( $ ARGV[3])]; int $ i; int $ which, $ offset; $ which = $ offset = 1; $ tab [1] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which ] ); printf("%d", $ tab[1]); for( $ i = 2; $ i <= atoi( $ ARGV[3] ) ; $ i++ ) { $ tab[ $ offset ] -= 1; if ( $ tab[ $ offset ] == 0 ) { $ offset++; $ which = ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; } printf("%d", $ tab[ $ i ] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which ] ) ); } printf("\n"); } This solution can now be interpreted with a Befunge-98 compliant interpreter (such as the one I provide with Language::Befunge), and run with: $ jqbf98 kola.bf Then, one of the referee sent me a mail, telling me how excited he was about this solution, and that I'll receive an O'Reilly book if I can add a Malbolge version... But Malbolge was really too hard to play with. I won't tell you what Malbolge is, and how hard it is to write a program with it... I then forgot this idea, but I thought within myself: what a great idea if I could provide a _quadrilingual_ working solution! I went then on BrainFuck. BrainFuck is a minimalist language (it only recognizes eight instructions!), but is said to be Turing-complete. I knew the theory about it, but never programmed with it before. I decided to try it. I won't tell you how hard it was to provide a working solution of Kolakoski. BrainFuck is a nasty language. Really. I'll just talk about two problems I had to deal with. First, BrainFuck does not allow command line arguments. I had to add a minor tweak in order to allow this: I simply decided to prompt for the args. This wasn't really too much trouble, since one can pipe the args with echo: $ echo | aidbf kola.bfk (aidbf being a BrainFuck interpreter available at http://ailis.de/~k/projects/aidbf/aidbf-0.1.tar.gz) But in fact, since prompting is done character by character in BrainFuck, I had to prompt 5 times: one for the first digit, one for the second, and three for the number of digits to display. I had to prompt three times for the last argument, since it could range from 0 to 500. But, since I prompt three times, user has to enter a properly-formatted number on three digits. That is, if the user wants only 8 digits, he'll have to enter 008. Last thing about this minor tweak: since one prompt eats one character, you'll have to concatenate arguments (ie, no space allowed). That is, for the 20 first digits of the Kolakoski number made of 1 and 3, you'll need to issue the following command: $ echo 13020 | aidbf kola.bfk It wasn't such a big deal, and I thought the overall meaning of the program would stay the same. This was the first problem I had to deal with. The second one was more, erm, challenging. In BrainFuck, you can only work with numbers ranging from 0 to 255 (ie, stored on a byte). Imagine how surprised I was, when I realized that I had to deal with numbers up to 500! I won't go in gory details, but I solved this problem by using three bytes, one for each power of ten, and then combined them into two bytes, and then playing and transferring tens to units and such dirty^Wfunny things like this. Finally, I got my BrainFuck version. Here it is (presented as a rectangle, it's way more impressive like this ;) ): >>>,------------------------------------------------[>+>>>>> >+>+<<<<<<<<-]>>,------------------------------------------- ----->+>>>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ .------------------------------------------------->+<[>-<[>> +<<-]]>[-<<<<<+<-<[<<+>>-]<<[>>+>>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>> >>>[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-]<-<]>[<<+>>-]<<<<<<<<<<<<<,-------------- ---------------------------------->,------------------------ ------------------------>,---------------------------------- --------------<<[>++++++++++<-]>>>>>>>>+<<<<<<[[>+<-]>>>>>>- <<<<<<]>[<+>-]>>>>>[-<<<<<<++++++++++<->>>>>>>]<<<<<<-<<>[>> +<<-]>>[<<+<+>>>-]<<<[[-]>->++++++++++<<]>>[<<+>>-]<<[>>+>+< <<-]>>>[[-]<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<->>>>>>>>>>>>>[-]]<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<>+[->[->>>>>>>>[>]>[>]+[<]<[<]<<<[->>>+<<<<<[<+>-]<[>+> >>>+<<<<<-]>>>]>>>[<<<+>>>-]<<[->>+<<<<[<<+>>-]<<[>>+>>>+<<< <<-]>>>>]>>[<<+>>-]<[>>[>]>[>]<+[<]<[<]<-]>>[>]>[>]<++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------- ----------------------------[<]<[<]<+>>[>]<-[[>+<-]<<[<]<->> [>]]>[<+>-]<<[<]<[<<<<<+>>>>>-]<<<<<[->>>[->>>+<<<]>[->+<]>[ <<+>>-]>[<<+>>-]>[>]+>>[<+>-]<[<]<<<<<<]<]++++++++++<][-]<]+ +++++++++. (if you _really_ want a more described version of the BrainFuck script, just ask) Now, all I needed was to include it in my trilingual solution... In fact, it was really easy. Remember that my program begins with a #undef then the Befunge code. BrainFuck will superbly ignore all the chars that are not valid BrainFuck instructions (and BrainFuck only recognizes the characters [ ] < > + - , . ). So far, so good. I just need to move the Befunge instruction pointer elsewhere. Let me present you the "v" instruction in Befunge, which makes Befunge read the flow from top to bottom. I just need to include a v and get back the instruction pointer later. Something like this: #undef fff /*v>>>,------------------------------------------ "------[>+>>> >>>+>+<<<<<<<<-]>>,--------------------------- ------------- -------->+>>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++ ++++.----------------------------------------- -------->+<[> -<[>>+<<-]]>[-<<<<<+<-<[<<+>>-]<<[>>+>>>>>>>>+ <<<<<<<<<<-]> >>>>>>>>>[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-]<-<]>[<<+>>-]<<<<<<<< <<<<<,------- ----------------------------------------->,--- ------------- -------------------------------->,------------ ------------- -----------------------<<[>++++++++++<-]>>>>>> >>+<<<<<<[[>+ <-]>>>>>>-<<<<<<]>[<+>-]>>>>>[-<<<<<<+++++++++ +<->>>>>>>]<< <<<<-<<>[>>+<<-]>>[<<+<+>>>-]<<<[[-]>->+++++++ +++<<]>>[<<+> >-]<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>>[[-]<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[++++ +++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<- >>>>>>>>>>>>> [-]]<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>+[->[->>>>>>>>[>]>[>]+[<]< [<]<<<[->>>+< <<<<[<+>-]<[>+>>>>+<<<<<-]>>>]>>>[<<<+>>>-]<<[ ->>+<<<<[<<+> >-]<<[>>+>>>+<<<<<-]>>>>]>>[<<+>>-]<[>>[>]>[>] <+[<]<[<]<-]> >[>]>[>]<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++.-- ---------------------------------------------- [<]<[<]<+>>[> ]<-[[>+<-]<<[<]<->>[>]]>[<+>-]<<[<]<[<<<<<+>>> >>-]<<<<<[->> >[->>>+<<<]>[->+<]>[<<+>>-]>[<<+>>-]>[>]+>>[<+ >-]<[<]<<<<<< ]<]++++++++++<][-]<]++++++++++. > n Befunge code goes here Btw, I'm sure you've understood (or you knew) that the ">" instruction in Befunge makes the instruction pointer in Befunge move from left to right... That's how we put our instruction pointer back on the right path. Note the empty column under the v. This way, Befunge can find its way down to the ">". We are to leave this empty column since >, <, [ and ] change the instruction pointer velocity. The "." and "," both outputs something in Befunge, and we don't want to mess with output, do we? But we can leave the + and - in the column, because they will just diddle the stack, and since we perform a "n" (clear stack) instruction before the Befunge code... So, we can be a little more obfuscated with the following: #undef fff /*v>> >,----------------------------------------- "-------[>+>> >>>>+>+<<<<<<<<-]>>,-------------------------- ---------------------->+>>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++.------------------------------------------ ------->+<[>- <[>>+<<-]]>[-<<<<<+<-<[<<+>>-]<<[>>+>>>>>>>>+< <<<<<<<<<-]>> >>>>>>>>[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-]<-<]>[<<+>>-]<<<<<<<<< <<<<,------------------------------------------------>,----- ------------------------------------------->,--------------- ---------------------------------<<[>++++++++++<-]>>>>>>>>+< <<<<<[[>+<-]> >>>>>-<<<<<<]>[<+>-]>>>>>[-<<<<<<++++++++++<-> >>>>>>]<<<<<<-<<>[>>+<<-]>>[<<+<+>>>-]<<<[[-]>->++++++++++<< ]>>[<<+>>-]<< [>>+>+<<<-]>>>[[-]<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[+++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<->>>>>> >>>>>>>[-]]<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<>+[->[->>>>>>>>[>]>[>]+[<]<[<]<<< [->>>+<<<<<[<+>-]<[>+>>>>+<<<<<-]>>>]>>>[<<<+>>>-]<<[->>+<<< <[<<+>>-]<<[> >+>>>+<<<<<-]>>>>]>>[<<+>>-]<[>>[>]>[>]<+[<]<[ <]<-]>>[>]>[> ]<++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++.------------------------------------------------[<]<[<]< +>>[>]<-[[>+<-]<<[<]<->>[>]]>[<+>-]<<[<]<[<<<<<+>>>>>-]<<<<< [->>>[->>>+<< <]>[->+<]>[<<+>>-]>[<<+>>-]>[>]+>>[<+>-]<[<]<< <<<<]<]++++++n++++<][-]<]++++++++++. > Befunge code goes here And here we are. Note how the n is included in the BrainFuck code. In fact, I could have included more Befunge code in the BrainFuck one (and vice-versa), but I was a bit tired, so I decided to let it this way. I went to test it, and... it failed! The BrainFuck version failed... It waited forever... In fact, it was obvious, since I was using chars that were valid BrainFuck instructions _after_ the "main" BrainFuck program. But BrainFuck does not understand what is a main program. The interpreter slurps the whole file, discarding the non-valid chars. So it kept all the instructions that came after... I was desperate. And even more hopeless because BrainFuck does not understand comments. Well, in fact, it understands comments: everything that is not an instruction is a comment. But, there's no way to _hide_ a valid instruction. What to do, my friends... Then, the magic idea: I'll just write a loop that BrainFuck won't enter, and hide the offending instructions in it! Once I had this cool idea, it was very simple to implement it: [-] to zero the current cell (urkl, that's... that's BrainFuck ;) ) [ enter a while loop if the current cell is non-zero Easy, isn't it? Since we just zeroed the current cell, we don't enter the while loop... But, we still need to close the loop (with a ] instruction). Piece of cake, we just need to add the following at the end of the code: #define BLAHBLAH /* ] */ And that's all folks! Here's the final quadrilingual version of the Kolakoski problem: #undef fff /*v>> >,----------------------------------------- "-------[>+>> >>>>+>+<<<<<<<<-]>>,-------------------------- ---------------------->+>>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++.------------------------------------------ ------->+<[>- <[>>+<<-]]>[-<<<<<+<-<[<<+>>-]<<[>>+>>>>>>>>+< <<<<<<<<<-]>> >>>>>>>>[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-]<-<]>[<<+>>-]<<<<<<<<< <<<<,------------------------------------------------>,----- ------------------------------------------->,--------------- ---------------------------------<<[>++++++++++<-]>>>>>>>>+< <<<<<[[>+<-]> >>>>>-<<<<<<]>[<+>-]>>>>>[-<<<<<<++++++++++<-> >>>>>>]<<<<<<-<<>[>>+<<-]>>[<<+<+>>>-]<<<[[-]>->++++++++++<< ]>>[<<+>>-]<< [>>+>+<<<-]>>>[[-]<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[+++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<->>>>>> >>>>>>>[-]]<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<>+[->[->>>>>>>>[>]>[>]+[<]<[<]<<< [->>>+<<<<<[<+>-]<[>+>>>>+<<<<<-]>>>]>>>[<<<+>>>-]<<[->>+<<< <[<<+>>-]<<[> >+>>>+<<<<<-]>>>>]>>[<<+>>-]<[>>[>]>[>]<+[<]<[ <]<-]>>[>]>[> ]<++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++.------------------------------------------------[<]<[<]< +>>[>]<-[[>+<-]<<[<]<->>[>]]>[<+>-]<<[<]<[<<<<<+>>>>>-]<<<<< [->>>[->>>+<< <]>[->+<]>[<<+>>-]>[<<+>>-]>[>]+>>[<+>-]<[<]<< <<<<]<]++++++n++++<][-]<]++++++++++.[-][ > a9+y >#v_ 0> \ : #v_ $ :0ep :0fp '0+, v ^ < ^+-0'\*a\< >\a*\'0-+v ve50pe40pe30 pe2 $ _v# ! : \ < 0 pe1 $ _^# ! : \ < 0 < p >\a*\'0-+^ > 2eg 1- : 2ep !#v_ 4eg : fg 1- \ fp 4eg fg #v _ 3eg ! 3ep 4eg 1+ 4ep v a ^ pf pe5 :+1 ge5 , +0' : ge ge3 < < q */ //"; #include #include #define ARGV argv #define $ /* unshift @ARGV, "foo"; sub atoi{ $_[0] } "*/ main (int argc, char *argv[]) //"; { int $ tab[atoi( $ ARGV[3])]; int $ i; int $ which, $ offset; $ which = $ offset = 1; $ tab [1] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which ] ); printf("%d", $ tab[1]); for( $ i = 2; $ i <= atoi( $ ARGV[3] ) ; $ i++ ) { $ tab[ $ offset ] -= 1; if ( $ tab[ $ offset ] == 0 ) { $ offset++; $ which = ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; } printf("%d", $ tab[ $ i ] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which ] ) ); } printf("\n"); } #define BLAHBLAH /* ] */ Now, we can interpret the file as yet another language: $echo | aidbf kola.bfk Remember that the args are concatenated, and that count is zero padded on the left. Needless to say, I also provided a quadrilingual solution for Cantor, the other problem of the tournament. Globally I used the same hacks. There are a few minor differences, such as I'm using the wrap facility of Befunge (if the instruction pointer goes out of bound on the top of the file, it comes back from the bottom) in order to include the Befunge code at the _end_ of the file. I also changed the way I'm handling atoi between C and Perl, via a big eval, after modifying the code to be eval'ed, but it's not that much different. Moral of the story: writing a multilingual solution of a problem isn't _that_ difficult, if you choose your languages carefully. You are to choose languages which don't have the same set of comments. In fact, the difficult part was to write the solutions in the esoteric languages. The BrainFuck version caused me the most problems. In fact, I think that BrainFuck is fun, but boring. On the other hand, Befunge is fun, and really fun to program with. Moral of the story (bis): since this month, Perl Golf is sponsored by O'Reilly. They offer a book of his/her chosing to the winner. Unfortunately, I finished second at the overall tournament (althought I provided the best Kolakoski Perl script). This means no book for me :-( But the referees were so impressed by my efforts that they decided to grant me a book for this. Who said esoteric languages were useless? ;-) Cheers, Jerome -- jquelin@wanadoo.fr From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 09 14:19:54 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175lxN-000JZP-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 14:19:34 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 09 May 2002 14:19:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175lx1-000JZJ-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 14:19:12 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 09 May 2002 14:19:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175lws-000JZD-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 09 May 2002 14:19:03 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p147.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.147]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g49BIsR07967 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:18:56 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <000501c1f74a$81a50240$9381ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: References: <20020504040943.68366.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> <591580221237.20020508191754@frox25.dhs.org> Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:30:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc O'No! I didn't got the original posting on this new language ! Can you please post it to me, again. Thank You! :) Lennie De Villiers From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 09 15:40:26 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175nDS-000JpB-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:40:14 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 09 May 2002 15:40:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175nD0-000Jp2-00; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:39:46 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 09 May 2002 15:39:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from wells.tecc.co.uk ([195.217.37.90] helo=-f) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 175nCs-000Jow-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:39:38 +0300 Received: from basingstoke.tecc.co.uk (basingstoke.tecc.co.uk [195.217.37.75]) by -f (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01288 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:39:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:39:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200205091239.NAA01288@-f> From: Mike Taylor To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-reply-to: <3CD0C9A7003E6777@> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) (message from Jerome Quelin on Thu, 9 May 2002 11:23:44 +0200) Subject: [lang] Re: No matter the language, programming is fun! [long] References: <3CD0C9A7003E6777@> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mike@tecc.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mike@tecc.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > [birth of a quadrilingual progamme snipped] Wonderful story, thanks for sharing it with us. This deserves to be more widely appreciated. Why don't you put it up on a webpage and one of us can send a ref. to Slashdot? _/|_ _______________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "In the soccer of the future, tackling must be banned [...] We have to take this aggression out" -- FIFA general secretary Sepp Blatter. Scary, isn't it? From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun May 12 08:27:42 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176lsd-0004Rm-00; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:26:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 12 May 2002 08:26:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176lqI-0004Rd-00; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:24:22 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 12 May 2002 08:24:15 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pegasus.azstarnet.com ([169.197.56.194] helo=cepheus.azstarnet.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176lqA-0004RX-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:24:14 +0300 Received: from andromeda (andromeda.azstarnet.com [169.197.53.210]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17569 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:23:55 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:23:55 -0700 (MST) From: Jeff Johnston X-X-Sender: To: Subject: [lang] [Slashdot] Quadrilingual Crazy Programming In-Reply-To: <200205091239.NAA01288@-f> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jeffryj@azstarnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jeffryj@azstarnet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Just saw this on the front page of Slashdot.. heres a quote: "Have you ever seen source code that is valid on four languages: Perl, C, Befunge, and BrainF*ck? During last Perlgolf season famoous Perl hacker Jerome Quelin submit such inconceivable masterpiece..." Neato :) Jeff From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun May 12 10:10:11 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176nUT-0004dx-00; Sun, 12 May 2002 10:09:57 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 12 May 2002 10:09:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176nU2-0004dr-00; Sun, 12 May 2002 10:09:30 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 12 May 2002 10:09:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176nTu-0004dl-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 May 2002 10:09:22 +0300 Received: from eq1152.demon.co.uk ([158.152.22.92] helo=oemcomputer) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 176nTp-000Pj6-0V for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 May 2002 08:09:17 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c1f983$ed6473e0$5c16989e@oemcomputer> From: "Peter S Tillier" To: References: Subject: [lang] Re: [Slashdot] Quadrilingual Crazy Programming Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:09:13 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: petert@eq1152.demon.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: petert@eq1152.demon.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Johnston" To: Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:23 AM Subject: [lang] [Slashdot] Quadrilingual Crazy Programming > Just saw this on the front page of Slashdot.. heres a quote: > > "Have you ever seen source code that is valid on four languages: Perl, C, > Befunge, and BrainF*ck? During last Perlgolf season famoous Perl hacker > Jerome Quelin submit such inconceivable masterpiece..." It's hardly inconceivable if someone has done it. Poor choice of syntax and semantics by slahsdot methinks. > > Neato :) > > Jeff -- Peter S Tillier "Who needs perl when you can write dc and sokoban in sed?" peter{dot}tillierbtinternet[dot]com To reply direct to me please use the above address not the "Reply To" which activates a spam trap. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun May 12 22:23:57 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176ywN-0006eS-00; Sun, 12 May 2002 22:23:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 12 May 2002 22:23:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176yvP-0006eJ-00; Sun, 12 May 2002 22:22:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 12 May 2002 22:22:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com ([169.197.56.195]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 176yvG-0006eD-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 12 May 2002 22:22:22 +0300 Received: from andromeda (andromeda.azstarnet.com [169.197.53.210]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28699 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 12:22:18 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 12:22:16 -0700 (MST) From: Jeff Johnston X-X-Sender: To: Subject: [lang] Re: [Slashdot] Quadrilingual Crazy Programming In-Reply-To: <001401c1f983$ed6473e0$5c16989e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jeffryj@azstarnet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jeffryj@azstarnet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Agreed.. but remember those weren't Slashdot's words.. they came from whoever submitted the article. Jeff On Sun, 12 May 2002, Peter S Tillier wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Johnston" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:23 AM > Subject: [lang] [Slashdot] Quadrilingual Crazy Programming > > > > Just saw this on the front page of Slashdot.. heres a quote: > > > > "Have you ever seen source code that is valid on four languages: Perl, > C, > > Befunge, and BrainF*ck? During last Perlgolf season famoous Perl > hacker > > Jerome Quelin submit such inconceivable masterpiece..." > > It's hardly inconceivable if someone has done it. Poor choice of syntax > and semantics by slahsdot methinks. > > > > > Neato :) > > > > Jeff > > -- > Peter S Tillier > "Who needs perl when you can write dc and sokoban in sed?" > peter{dot}tillierbtinternet[dot]com > To reply direct to me please use the above address > not the "Reply To" which activates a spam trap. > > > > > > From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon May 13 02:48:54 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17732F-0007If-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 02:45:51 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 13 May 2002 02:45:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1772za-0007IU-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 02:43:06 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 13 May 2002 02:42:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web12906.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1772zR-0007IO-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 13 May 2002 02:42:57 +0300 Message-ID: <20020512234237.4449.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.78.145.92] by web12906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:42:37 PDT Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] kolakoski problem questions To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > #include > #include > #define ARGV argv > #define $ /* > unshift @ARGV, "foo"; > sub atoi{ $_[0] } > "*/ > main (int argc, char *argv[]) //"; As someone on /. pointed out, why not main (int argc, char *ARGV[])? > { > int $ tab[atoi( $ ARGV[3] )]; Why not just tab[500]? Besides, using functions in variable declarations is generally illegal in C (not sure about the latest standard). C++ maybe? > int $ i; > int $ which, $ offset; > $ which = $ offset = 1; > $ tab [1] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which ] ); > printf("%d", $ tab[1]); > for( $ i = 2; $ i <= atoi( $ ARGV[3] ) ; $ i++ ) { > $ tab[ $ offset ] -= 1; > if ( $ tab[ $ offset ] == 0 ) { > $ offset++; > $ which = ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; You are assigning twice to the same variable. This is illegal. This is not valid C, don't know about Perl. > } > printf("%d", $ tab[ $ i ] = atoi( $ ARGV[ $ which >] ) ); > } > printf("\n"); > } Other than the aforementioned stuff, I think it would be cooler if the perl/C part was obfuscated. At least, you could make the program much smaller by simply using one-character variable names and removing the whitespace :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon May 13 09:13:21 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17794X-0008ml-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 09:12:37 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 13 May 2002 09:12:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17792L-0008mI-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 09:10:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 13 May 2002 09:10:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from smtp-out-6.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.25] helo=mel-rto6.wanadoo.fr) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17792C-0008mB-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 13 May 2002 09:10:12 +0300 Received: from mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.69) by mel-rto6.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CDBAAD200146BE6 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 13 May 2002 08:10:10 +0200 Received: from there (80.11.104.186) by mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3CD663FF0033E89F for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 13 May 2002 08:10:10 +0200 Message-ID: <3CD663FF0033E89F@> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jerome Quelin To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: kolakoski problem questions Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:10:53 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20020512234237.4449.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020512234237.4449.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jquelin@wanadoo.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: jquelin@wanadoo.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Lundi 13 Mai 2002 01:42, Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote : > > #define ARGV argv [...] > > main (int argc, char *argv[]) //"; > As someone on /. pointed out, why not main (int argc, char *ARGV[])? Because I did not know about this one. I'm not a C fanatic, and my C less= ons=20 are 6 years old. :-) This is of course the way I should have done it. > > int $ tab[atoi( $ ARGV[3] )]; > Why not just tab[500]? Besides, using functions in variable declaration= s is > generally illegal in C (not sure about the latest standard). C++ maybe? Don't know exactly. I tried it, it worked. Remember, this is not meant to= be=20 production code. Somebody pointed me about "#define $" being forbidden, since $ is not a v= alid=20 C identifier. As long as it works (at least on my platform), I don't care= .=20 If I were to write "professionnal" C, I wouldn't of course use such ugly=20 hacks. > > $ which =3D ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; > You are assigning twice to the same variable. This is illegal. This is = not > valid C, don't know about Perl. This is valid Perl. If that's not valid C, I can do: -- $ which; $ which =3D ( ! $ which ) + 1; But are you really sure about this one? Can't autodecrement be used anywh= ere? > Other than the aforementioned stuff, I think it would be cooler if the > perl/C part was obfuscated. At least, you could make the program much > smaller by simply using one-character variable names and removing the > whitespace :) Now that I'm reading my article in a detached mind, I can see much things= I=20 could have done better. For example, I spent quite some time to find a=20 preprocessor instruction that won't make Befunge reverse. But in fact, it= =20 would be easier to reverse the instruction pointer, wrap from left to rig= ht=20 and take back the instruction pointer from the right... Another one: I wrote the Befunge solution, using _heavily_ the (p)ut and=20 (g)et instructions. But this leads to a code that is slooooooow. It would= =20 have been better to use the stack and the stack of stacks (since it's=20 Befunge-98). But remember, this was a contest. And I had to hurry, since the tournamen= t=20 ended on the 8th. I wrote it this way. Once a code was working, I did not= =20 update it, and went to the next language to include. Cheers, J=E9r=F4me --=20 jquelin@wanadoo.fr From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon May 13 09:38:14 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1779T0-0008wu-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 09:37:54 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 13 May 2002 09:37:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1779SN-0008tl-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 09:37:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 13 May 2002 09:37:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web12908.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.75]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1779SE-0008tc-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 13 May 2002 09:37:07 +0300 Message-ID: <20020513063704.10946.qmail@web12908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.78.145.92] by web12908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2002 23:37:04 PDT Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:37:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] Re: kolakoski problem questions To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <3CD663FF0033E89F@> (added by postmaster@wanadoo.fr) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc --- Jerome Quelin wrote: > > > $ which = ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; > > You are assigning twice to the same variable. This is illegal. This is not > > valid C, don't know about Perl. > > This is valid Perl. If that's not valid C, I can do: > -- $ which; > $ which = ( ! $ which ) + 1; > > But are you really sure about this one? Can't autodecrement be used anywhere? No. The rule is simple, and states that a variable can only be assigned to once per expression. Otherwise C gets all confused about the order in which the assignments are to be evaluated. The relevant FAQ is http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/q3.3.html and links from it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon May 13 10:52:04 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Acb-0009Kg-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:51:53 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 13 May 2002 10:51:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177AcC-0009Ka-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:51:28 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 13 May 2002 10:51:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Ac3-0009KT-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:51:19 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4D7pCr14034 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 00:51:13 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:51:14 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: kolakoski problem questions From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020512234237.4449.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc >> $ which = ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; > > You are assigning twice to the same variable. This is illegal. This is not > valid C, don't know about Perl. Wait...code that produces undefined behaviour isn't the same as illegal or invalid code, is it? The latter must produce an error message and failure to compile, whereas the former could do absolutely anything--including work properly. Right? -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon May 13 14:32:35 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177E41-000AbB-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:32:25 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 13 May 2002 14:32:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177E3M-000Ab5-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:31:44 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 13 May 2002 14:31:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177E3C-000Aaz-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:31:35 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p34.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.34]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g4DBVMR22273 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 13:31:23 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <010d01c1fa70$e8467fa0$e381ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: "EsoLang Lang" Subject: [lang] Summer 2000 (?) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:27:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello! I unfortunatly mist the message on the new "Summer 2000" language ! Where can I find it ? Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon May 13 22:52:38 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Lrm-000CGl-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:52:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 13 May 2002 22:52:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Lps-000CGR-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:50:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 13 May 2002 22:50:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.181]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Lpk-000CGL-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:50:12 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-217-225.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.217.225]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E848A39D9 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:50:04 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rebecca.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3CE01EC9.B901BF93@dds.nl> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:15:05 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: kolakoski problem questions References: <20020513063704.10946.qmail@web12908.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote: > --- Jerome Quelin wrote: > > > > > $ which = ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; > > > You are assigning twice to the same variable. This is illegal. This is not > > > valid C, don't know about Perl. > > > > This is valid Perl. If that's not valid C, I can do: > > -- $ which; > > $ which = ( ! $ which ) + 1; > > > > But are you really sure about this one? Can't autodecrement be used anywhere? > > No. The rule is simple, and states that a variable can only be assigned to once > per expression. Otherwise C gets all confused about the order in which the > assignments are to be evaluated. I'm not sure about this, but although post-increment might cause confusion (even though I do think it is defined to do the increment before the surrounding assigment,since the increment is properly contained in the assignment), pre-increment should work flawlessly. The real problem is if you say "a=(--b)*2+(--b)", which (ignoring changes to b) could result in either "a=3b-4" or "a=3b-5". Besides, why not just do "$ which = (!($ which - 1)) + 1" (you overwrite "$ which" anyway, so why decrement it?), or even "$ which = 1 + ($ which == 1)" (looks the same to me)? From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon May 13 22:54:15 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Lta-000CHc-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:54:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 13 May 2002 22:54:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Lt0-000CHV-00; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:53:34 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 13 May 2002 22:53:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.181]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Lss-000CHP-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 13 May 2002 22:53:26 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-217-225.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.217.225]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59FC8A5F58 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:53:17 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rebecca.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3CE01F8A.2C7AAB96@dds.nl> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:18:18 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Summer 2000 (?) References: <010d01c1fa70$e8467fa0$e381ef9b@lennie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc D De Villiers wrote: > I unfortunatly mist the message on the new "Summer 2000" language ! Where > can I find it ? That's "missed", and it should be somewhere near http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/... From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue May 14 00:33:33 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177NRI-000CYk-00; Tue, 14 May 2002 00:33:04 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 14 May 2002 00:32:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177NR4-000CYe-00; Tue, 14 May 2002 00:32:50 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 14 May 2002 00:32:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from madness.the-space.net ([216.231.41.66] helo=shub.muppetlabs.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177NQw-000CYY-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 14 May 2002 00:32:42 +0300 Received: (from breadbox@localhost) by shub.muppetlabs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4DLWeo15015; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:32:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15584.12535.926541.313541@shub.muppetlabs.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 14:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Raiter To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: kolakoski problem questions In-Reply-To: <3CE01EC9.B901BF93@dds.nl> References: <20020513063704.10946.qmail@web12908.mail.yahoo.com> <3CE01EC9.B901BF93@dds.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.68 under Emacs 20.7.1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: breadbox@muppetlabs.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: breadbox@muppetlabs.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > > > > > $ which = ( ! ( -- $ which ) ) + 1; > > > > You are assigning twice to the same variable. This is > > > > illegal. This is not valid C, don't know about Perl. > > > > > > This is valid Perl. If that's not valid C, I can do: > > > -- $ which; > > > $ which = ( ! $ which ) + 1; > > > > > > But are you really sure about this one? Can't autodecrement be > > > used anywhere? Of course it can, but not when you're simultaneously assigning to the same variable. > > No. The rule is simple, and states that a variable can only be > > assigned to once per expression. Otherwise C gets all confused > > about the order in which the assignments are to be evaluated. Not "once per expression", but "one inbetween sequence points". (Sequence points appear at semicolons, around function calls, and inbetween the arguments to the operators && || ?: and comma.) > I'm not sure about this, but although post-increment might cause > confusion (even though I do think it is defined to do the increment > before the surrounding assigment,since the increment is properly > contained in the assignment), pre-increment should work flawlessly. Sorry, no. It's not a matter of "the C compiler gets all confused". It's a matter of "the C compiler is permitted to assume that the programmer will never break this rule accidentally". So not only is your compiler not required to tell you when you break the rule, but it can use all kinds of optimization techniques that might cause such illegal statements to produce complete nonsense values. > The real problem is if you say "a=(--b)*2+(--b)", which (ignoring > changes to b) could result in either "a=3b-4" or "a=3b-5". ... Or a could be set to some arbitrary garbage value. Or your program could raise a bus fault. Or the compiler might cause demons to fly out of your nose. b From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue May 14 13:07:42 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177ZCR-000EzM-00; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:06:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 14 May 2002 13:06:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Z9u-000Eyk-00; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:03:55 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 14 May 2002 13:03:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net ([196.25.240.74]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 177Z9k-000Eyc-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 14 May 2002 13:03:45 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p20.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.20]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g4EA35711382; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:03:08 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <000401c1fb2d$be562020$1481ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: "Mtv Europe" Cc: "EsoLang Lang" References: <752016889291.20020513203435@frox25.dhs.org> Subject: [lang] Re: A new language: Summer 2002 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 00:33:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Mtv Europe, > > I unfortunatly mist the message on the new "Summer 2000" language ! Where > > can I find it ? > I think it was a joke, see below: Thank You ! :) As anyone write an interpreter for this new language, yet ? Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue May 21 12:50:34 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17A6HC-000AO5-00; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:49:54 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 21 May 2002 12:49:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17A6Fd-000ANX-00; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:48:17 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 21 May 2002 12:48:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17A6FT-000ANQ-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:48:08 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p232.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.232]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g4L9lnR13661 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:47:51 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <002401c200ab$c08a6c60$e881ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: "EsoLang Lang" Subject: [lang] EsoLang MiRC channel ? Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:10:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello! Is there a MiRC channel for esoteric languages ? Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue May 21 17:14:22 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17AAOU-000BsX-00; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:13:42 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 21 May 2002 17:13:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17AANt-000BsQ-00; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:13:05 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 21 May 2002 17:12:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17AANj-000BsK-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 21 May 2002 17:12:56 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p151.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.151]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g4LECjv11422 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 16:12:46 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <01e301c200d0$c3bf7fe0$e881ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: References: <002401c200ab$c08a6c60$e881ef9b@lennie> Subject: [lang] Re: EsoLang MiRC channel ? Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:38:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello Again! My IRC nickname's "TheGentleBoy". If you see me on IRC and wanna chat. Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue May 21 21:47:23 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17AEf0-000CyV-00; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:47:02 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 21 May 2002 21:46:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17AEeL-000CyI-00; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:46:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 21 May 2002 21:46:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web12901.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.68]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17AEeD-000CyC-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:46:13 +0300 Message-ID: <20020521184610.50783.qmail@web12901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.78.145.92] by web12901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2002 11:46:10 PDT Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:46:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] Re: EsoLang MiRC channel ? To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <002401c200ab$c08a6c60$e881ef9b@lennie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: order_of_may@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc --- D De Villiers wrote: > Hello! > > Is there a MiRC channel for esoteric languages ? It is called "IRC", not MiRC or mIRC. Please. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 22 12:40:45 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ASbD-000GKk-00; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:40:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 22 May 2002 12:39:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ASad-000GKc-00; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:39:28 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 22 May 2002 12:39:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ASaV-000GKW-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:39:19 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4M9dGB04539 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:39:16 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4M9dCn23785 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:39:12 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:39:12 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: EsoLang Lang Subject: [lang] Re: [ot] EsoLang MiRC channel ? In-Reply-To: <002401c200ab$c08a6c60$e881ef9b@lennie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mon, 20 May 2002, D De Villiers wrote: > Is there a MiRC channel for esoteric languages ? I shouldn't, but I just have to... "It is extremely difficult to exclude specific clients from IRC channels, such as denying all, say, irssi clients or allowing only MIRC clients on the channel. A relatively sophisticated bot could inspect various details, such as the client's responses to various CTCP requests, to deduce the type of client and kick out all non-MIRC clients, for example. However, as this is both tedious to do and extremely stupid, people are highly encouraged to allow channel members to use whatever client they please." As for a real answer about _IRC_ channels, I think somebody founded a channel in DALnet. I don't remember what it was called, please check the list archives at http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/ Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 22 12:50:39 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ASlM-000GTJ-00; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:50:32 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 22 May 2002 12:50:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ASl8-000GTD-00; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:50:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 22 May 2002 12:50:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net ([196.25.240.74]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ASkz-000GT6-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:50:09 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p211.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.211]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g4M9o1d06304 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 11:50:02 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <012101c20175$39fbcd40$8781ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: References: <20020521184610.50783.qmail@web12901.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [lang] Re: EsoLang MiRC channel ? Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:12:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > It is called "IRC", not MiRC or mIRC. Please. Oo' Sorry ! ;-) Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue May 28 17:14:24 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Chj2-000HBw-00; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:13:24 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 28 May 2002 17:13:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ChhV-000HBj-00; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:11:49 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 28 May 2002 17:11:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36] helo=VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Chgg-000HB6-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:10:59 +0300 Received: from Knpjzrj 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2002 18:04:11 +0300 Received: from decis.be [192.168.0.20] by decis.be [194.78.208.93] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.3.R) for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:52:28 +0200 Message-ID: <3CF39DC7.FEA61745@decis.be> Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:09:59 +0200 From: Frederic van der Plancke Organization: Decis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] VIRUS ALERT Was: Re: Only to the extent References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.20 X-Return-Path: fvdp@decis.be X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: fvdp@decis.be Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: fvdp@decis.be Precedence: bulk X-list: misc The message "[lang] Only to the extent" from akwende@worldmailer.com (or is it Knpjzrj ([66.130.172.172]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca ?) was signalled by Norton Antivirus as a worm named w32.klez.H@mm Now is this both spam & worm at the same time ? And why did I receive 2 worm or viruses in 24 hours - and no other in the last 6 months ? Frédéric vdP. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue May 28 19:44:20 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Ck4p-000Hk1-00; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:44:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 28 May 2002 19:43:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Ck4O-000Hjq-00; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:43:36 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 28 May 2002 19:43:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36] helo=VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Ck43-000Hjk-00; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:43:19 +0300 Received: from hubert ([66.130.172.172]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWTYFY04.UDS; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:43:10 -0400 Message-ID: <011f01c20666$8c9fa9e0$acac8242@hubert> From: "Charles Lamontagne" To: , "Yann Hamiaux" , , "Terryn" , "Studio Don Graetz" , "Stephane Hockenhull" , , , "Serge Provost" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien_Bouchard?= , , , , , "PostMasterDirect.com" , "pierp" , "Philippe Filion - Picard" , "Perreau, Denis_Pierre" , , "Paul Lamontagne" , "Paul Bragiel" , "Panu A Kalliokoski" , "Omega" , , "Nick Whiting" <_nick@museigen.net>, , , "Jacques Chabot" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bourbonnais?= , "Bruno Carpentier" , "Michel Magnan" , "Michel et Diane" , , , "Matt K." , , "Marlene Nordstrom" , "Marlene Nordstrom" , , "Mado-Bill Lyle" , , , , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lise_B=E9liveau?= , "Linda Turcotte" , "Linda et Steve" , , , , "LAMONTAGNE, Jacques" , "Lamontagne, Charles" , , , , , , , , "Jason Kendrick" , "Jacques Lamontagne" , "Jacques Lamontagne" , "Hugo Caron" , , "Dominique Guay" , "Dominique Carle" , , , "Denis Morin" , , , , "Christine Veillet, Denis Morin" , "Charlie G" , "Charles Lamontagne" , "Charles Andre Lamontagne" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Caroline_Blier-V=E9zina?= , "buzzmachines.com" , "Born2Invest" , , , "Bastien Bouchard" , "AOL Instant Messenger" , "Anthony Sugden" , "Anne Bigras" , , , "\(christian\(L\) baux" Subject: [lang] Virus Warning/Attention Virus Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:41:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011C_01C20645.0354E2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: boulam@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: boulam@videotron.ca Precedence: bulk X-list: misc This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C20645.0354E2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, we've been infected with win32.klez, which sent itself to = everybody on our email list. This virus uses a bug in internet explorer = to install itself without the consent of the user. If you use internet = explorer 5 service pack 1 or any older version, and have viewed the = e-mails sent from here, you are probably infected - even if you refused = to run the attachment included in the infected mail. You can find more = info and an utility to remove the virus here: = http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.e@mm.htm= l Nous avons =E9t=E9 infect=E9s par le virus win32.klez, qui s'est = envoy=E9 =E0 toutes les adresses sur notre liste. Ce virus utilise un = bug dans internet explorer pour s'installer =E0 l'insu de l'utilisateur. = Si vous utilisez internet explorer 5 service pack 1 ou toute version = plus vieille, et avez visionn=E9s les courriels evoy=E9s de cette = adresse, vous =EAtes probablement infect=E9s - m=EAme si vous avez = refus=E9 d'=E9x=E9cuter le fichier joint au courriel infect=E9. Pour = plus d'informations(en anglais, malheureusement), et pour un programme = pour =E9radiquer le virus de votre ordinateur, veuillez consulter ce = site: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.e@mm.htm= l Hubert "MadBrain" Lamontagne ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C20645.0354E2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay, we've been infected with = win32.klez, which=20 sent itself to everybody on our email list. This virus uses a bug = in=20 internet explorer to install itself without the consent of the user. If = you use=20 internet explorer 5 service pack 1 or any older version, and have viewed = the=20 e-mails sent from here, you are probably infected - even if you refused = to run=20 the attachment included in the infected mail. You can find = more info and an=20 utility to remove the virus here: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.kl= ez.e@mm.html
 
Nous avons =E9t=E9 infect=E9s par le = virus win32.klez,=20 qui s'est envoy=E9 =E0 toutes les adresses sur notre liste. Ce virus = utilise un bug=20 dans internet explorer pour s'installer =E0 l'insu de l'utilisateur. Si = vous=20 utilisez internet explorer 5 service pack 1 ou toute version plus = vieille, et=20 avez visionn=E9s les courriels evoy=E9s de cette adresse, vous =EAtes = probablement=20 infect=E9s - m=EAme si vous avez refus=E9 d'=E9x=E9cuter le fichier = joint au courriel=20 infect=E9. Pour plus d'informations(en anglais, malheureusement), et = pour un=20 programme pour =E9radiquer le virus de votre ordinateur, veuillez = consulter ce=20 site:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.kl= ez.e@mm.html
 
 
        = Hubert=20 "MadBrain" Lamontagne
------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C20645.0354E2C0-- From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 29 09:00:31 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17CwVO-000JYi-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:00:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 29 May 2002 09:00:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17CwUo-000JYQ-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:59:42 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 29 May 2002 08:59:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17CwUf-000JYK-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:59:33 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4T5xWO24576 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:59:32 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4T5xU807158 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:59:30 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:59:30 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: VIRUS ALERT Was: Re: Only to the extent In-Reply-To: <3CF39DC7.FEA61745@decis.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tue, 28 May 2002, Frederic van der Plancke wrote: > Now is this both spam & worm at the same time ? Well, I think all self-propagating postings are also spam (because they're sent to their recipients obviously contrary to recipients' wills). > And why did I receive 2 worm or viruses in 24 hours - and no other in > the last 6 months ? Today's worms usually are S-strategists (hope I remember the letters the right way) - that is, instead of relying on intelligent behavior and stealth, they put all their strength to rapid spreading. This is usually made possible by extremely stupid users and extremely stupid security holes in e-mail clients (should I mention the magic M$ word?), and the worms are totally dependent on uniformity in the software choices of the user base. As such, today's worms cause big temporary trouble, get quickly squished, and are quickly forgotten. (M$'s policy seems to be patching the holes as they get exploited, not as they are found.) Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 29 11:26:37 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Cymj-000Jzk-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:26:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 29 May 2002 11:26:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17CymO-000Jze-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:26:00 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 29 May 2002 11:25:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net ([196.25.240.74]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17CymE-000JzY-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:25:51 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p192.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.192]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g4T8Pgd02093 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:25:44 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <000201c206e9$9841f040$c081ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: "EsoLang Lang" Subject: [lang] Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:41:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello Everybody, Fortunatly for me my ISP check all me emails (outgoing/incomming) for viruses and the virus was blocked before reaching me ! :) Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed May 29 11:40:14 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Cz07-000K4y-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:40:11 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 29 May 2002 11:40:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Cyzp-000K4j-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:39:53 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 29 May 2002 11:39:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Cyzc-000K4d-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:39:44 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:37:35 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:37:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c206ec$082053a0$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <000201c206e9$9841f040$c081ef9b@lennie> Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc same here -----Original Message----- From: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of D De Villiers Sent: 28 May 2002 18:42 To: EsoLang Lang Subject: [lang] Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! Hello Everybody, Fortunatly for me my ISP check all me emails (outgoing/incomming) for viruses and the virus was blocked before reaching me ! :) Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 00:01:09 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DAYp-000M7Y-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:00:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 00:00:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DAXc-000M7D-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 23:59:33 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 29 May 2002 23:59:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DAXU-000M77-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 29 May 2002 23:59:24 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-195-121.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.195.121]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E703848F for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:59:22 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3CF54969.FFE2ADCF@dds.nl> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:34:33 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! References: <000201c206e9$9841f040$c081ef9b@lennie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc D De Villiers wrote: > Fortunatly for me my ISP check all me emails (outgoing/incomming) for > viruses and the virus was blocked before reaching me ! :) Yeah, but some ISPs might screw up and block something that shouldn't be, and you'll never know what it was... My solution: don't use software vulnerable to these virusses. I have yet to see a virus that can infect my Linux box... From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 00:48:19 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DBI0-000MFL-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:47:28 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 00:47:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DBFW-000MFC-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:44:54 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 30 May 2002 00:44:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from static-dialup-isdn-ana.cu.soltec.net ([64.5.68.221] helo=study.anacroatan.org) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DBFO-000MF6-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:44:46 +0300 Received: from justin by study.anacroatan.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17DBdE-0001eu-00 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:09:24 -0500 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! Message-Id: From: justin@anacroatan.org Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:09:24 -0500 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > From lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Wed May 29 16:28:55 2002 > Envelope-to: justin@anacroatan.org > Delivery-date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:28:55 -0500 > Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:34:33 +0200 > From: Milo van Handel > Organization: Milo-Soft > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi > Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! > References: <000201c206e9$9841f040$c081ef9b@lennie> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a > Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi > Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi > X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl > Precedence: bulk > Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi > X-list: lang > D De Villiers wrote: > > Fortunatly for me my ISP check all me emails (outgoing/incomming) for > > viruses and the virus was blocked before reaching me ! :) Milo van Handel wrote: > Yeah, but some ISPs might screw up and block something that shouldn't be, and > you'll never know what it was... > My solution: don't use software vulnerable to these virusses. I have yet to > see a virus that can infect my Linux box... How about a celular automata type programming language, where nodes that can share data the most compatibly (read all each others .doc files and the other guy's .tar.Bz2s) are the most vulnerable to viruses in the network coming from "script kiddie" nodes. The nodes that are least vulnerable to these viruses would have to constantly deal with corrupted or partially unreadable data from the other type of node. Or maybe not. Other possibilities include a more generic simulation where the more common kind of node (whichever kind it happens to be) can intercommunicate the most efficiently, and is the most efficient vector for disease. Just some thoughts as I wake up... From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 00:56:26 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DBQY-000MHV-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:56:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 00:56:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DBQJ-000MHP-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:56:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 30 May 2002 00:55:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from static-dialup-isdn-ana.cu.soltec.net ([64.5.68.221] helo=study.anacroatan.org) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DBQB-000MHJ-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:55:55 +0300 Received: from justin by study.anacroatan.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17DBoC-0001fn-00 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:20:44 -0500 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] headers Message-Id: From: justin@anacroatan.org Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:20:44 -0500 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc sorry about quoting all the headers in that last mail, like I said, I just woke up... justin From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 10:54:33 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DKl8-000Nrb-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:54:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 10:54:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DKkh-000NrV-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:53:44 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 30 May 2002 10:53:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DKkZ-000NrP-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:53:35 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4U7rYO26387 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:53:34 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4U7rVd22399 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:53:31 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:53:31 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! In-Reply-To: <000401c206ec$082053a0$a500000a@td165> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of D De Villiers > Fortunatly for me my ISP check all me emails (outgoing/incomming) for > viruses and the virus was blocked before reaching me ! :) On Wed, 29 May 2002 dmoss@tdsi.co.uk wrote: > same here Hey, please. Viruses (or `viri') cause enough superfluous traffic without totally noninformative "hey, doesn't concern me" notifications. Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 11:10:32 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DL0v-000NxR-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:10:29 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 11:10:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DL0d-000NxL-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:10:11 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 30 May 2002 11:10:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DL0T-000Nx6-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:10:02 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:08:47 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunately For Me - Virus Blocking ! Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:08:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c207b1$2df54610$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of Panu A Kalliokoski > Sent: 30 May 2002 08:54 > To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi > Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! > Hey, please. Viruses (or `viri') cause enough superfluous traffic without > totally noninformative "hey, doesn't concern me" notifications. Such as this message, you mean? And it does concern me. What I was trying to put across was that a little bit of security on the side of any network that connects to the internet never goes unnoticed. David. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 12:19:23 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DM5N-000OJi-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:19:09 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 12:19:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DM51-000OJU-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:18:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 30 May 2002 12:18:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DM4q-000OJO-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:18:37 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p42.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.42]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g4U9IQv04023 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:18:28 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <004101c207ba$205a5e60$2a81ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: References: <000201c206e9$9841f040$c081ef9b@lennie> <3CF54969.FFE2ADCF@dds.nl> Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:38:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Milo van Handel, > Yeah, but some ISPs might screw up and block something that shouldn't be, and > you'll never know what it was... Not in my case... My ISP send me a notification if something was blocked, which include the sender's email address, name of file-attachment, name of virus etc. Sothat I can contact the sender if there's any problem. > My solution: don't use software vulnerable to these virusses. I have yet to > see a virus that can infect my Linux box... True ! :) The problem here is that everyone is using MS Windows as there main OS. So this is the target for all virus infection ! Here in South Africa (ZA) only some companies are using Linux (but at a minimum) where about 99% is running MS Windows. Kind Regards, Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 18:07:13 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DRVx-00006a-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:06:57 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 18:06:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DRVY-00006U-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:06:32 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 30 May 2002 18:06:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from static-dialup-isdn-ana.cu.soltec.net ([64.5.68.221] helo=study.anacroatan.org) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DRVP-00006J-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:06:23 +0300 Received: from justin by study.anacroatan.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17DRtV-0002ig-00 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:31:17 -0500 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! Message-Id: From: justin@anacroatan.org Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:31:17 -0500 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc D De Villiers wrote: --snip-- > The problem here is that everyone is using MS Windows as there > main OS. So this is the target for all virus infection ! Here in South > Africa (ZA) only some companies are using Linux (but at a minimum) where > about 99% is running MS Windows. --snip-- But, the design of a system is important too. Root, the only one who's account can significantly harm my computer, cannot recieve mail (mail addressed to root goes to my user account). A virus writer would have to request in their email "please execute this code as root" and hope I did what they said. I don't even have a way to automaticly run executables mailed to me (I could have a way, yes, but I purposely set it up so I (and more importantly others who use this machine who are less clueful) do not). From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 18:30:04 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DRsE-0000AA-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:29:58 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 18:29:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DRs6-0000A3-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:29:50 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Thu, 30 May 2002 18:29:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [194.78.208.93] (helo=decis.be) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DRs3-00009x-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:29:48 +0300 Received: from decis.be [192.168.0.20] by decis.be [194.78.208.93] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.3.R) for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 17:17:30 +0200 Message-ID: <3CF646A4.48BB0214@decis.be> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:35:00 +0200 From: Frederic van der Plancke Organization: Decis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [chat] Worms as spam - Was: VIRUS ALERT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.20 X-Return-Path: fvdp@decis.be X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: fvdp@decis.be Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: fvdp@decis.be Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Panu A Kalliokoski wrote: > > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Frederic van der Plancke wrote: > > Now is this both spam & worm at the same time ? > > Well, I think all self-propagating postings are also spam (because they're > sent to their recipients obviously contrary to recipients' wills). I was thinking about the way SPAMmers manipulate mail headers to disguise their actual origin. The worm [lang] has received had a bogus Sender field, it seems, I was surprised by that (but probably should have not been.) Now, worms like the ones I've got carry on their own mail engine so I guess they can forge, er, devise their headers at will. > > > And why did I receive 2 worm or viruses in 24 hours - and no other in > > the last 6 months ? > > Today's worms usually are S-strategists (hope I remember the letters the > right way) - that is, instead of relying on intelligent behavior and > stealth, they put all their strength to rapid spreading. This is usually > made possible by extremely stupid users and extremely stupid security > holes in e-mail clients (should I mention the magic M$ word?), and the > worms are totally dependent on uniformity in the software choices of the > user base. As such, today's worms cause big temporary trouble, get quickly > squished, and are quickly forgotten. (M$'s policy seems to be patching the > holes as they get exploited, not as they are found.) hmmm... except that the offending worms were first noticed in Autumn 2001... I do think the two recent attacks I got were related. One went through [lang] and the other reached me directly - guess the (human innocent) sender has my address somewhere : not surprising. (But they were *different* worms...) Frédéric vdP. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 21:15:51 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DUSR-0000aS-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:15:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 21:15:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DUSI-0000aM-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:15:22 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Thu, 30 May 2002 21:15:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailer3.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.128.54]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DUSB-0000aG-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:15:15 +0300 Received: from bham.ac.uk ([147.188.128.127]) by mailer3.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 17DUS9-0004M9-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:15:13 +0100 Received: from is-fs12.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.127.28]) by bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 17DUS9-0003BV-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:15:13 +0100 Received: from htrtttt [147.188.17.15] by is-fs12.bham.ac.uk with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.75.1.9 $; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:15:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <004f01c20806$4f800090$0f11bc93@htrtttt> From: "fyl2xp1" To: References: <3CF646A4.48BB0214@decis.be> Subject: [chat] Re: Worms as spam - Was: VIRUS ALERT Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:17:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: vnhu38f93@subdimension.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: vnhu38f93@subdimension.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello, I am trying to contact Chris Pressey, I would be grateful if someone could help me by giving me the relevant information to do so. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic van der Plancke" To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: [chat] Worms as spam - Was: VIRUS ALERT > Panu A Kalliokoski wrote: > > > > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Frederic van der Plancke wrote: > > > Now is this both spam & worm at the same time ? > > > > Well, I think all self-propagating postings are also spam (because they're > > sent to their recipients obviously contrary to recipients' wills). > > I was thinking about the way SPAMmers manipulate mail headers to disguise > their actual origin. The worm [lang] has received had a bogus Sender field, > it seems, I was surprised by that (but probably should have not been.) > > Now, worms like the ones I've got carry on their own mail engine so I guess > they can forge, er, devise their headers at will. > > > > > > And why did I receive 2 worm or viruses in 24 hours - and no other in > > > the last 6 months ? > > > > Today's worms usually are S-strategists (hope I remember the letters the > > right way) - that is, instead of relying on intelligent behavior and > > stealth, they put all their strength to rapid spreading. This is usually > > made possible by extremely stupid users and extremely stupid security > > holes in e-mail clients (should I mention the magic M$ word?), and the > > worms are totally dependent on uniformity in the software choices of the > > user base. As such, today's worms cause big temporary trouble, get quickly > > squished, and are quickly forgotten. (M$'s policy seems to be patching the > > holes as they get exploited, not as they are found.) > > hmmm... except that the offending worms were first noticed in Autumn 2001... > I do think the two recent attacks I got were related. One went through [lang] > and the other reached me directly - guess the (human innocent) sender has my > address somewhere : not surprising. (But they were *different* worms...) > > Frédéric vdP. > > > > > From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 23:51:36 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DWtF-0000wh-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:51:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 23:51:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DWsW-0000wb-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:50:36 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 30 May 2002 23:50:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DWsN-0000wV-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:50:27 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-240-20.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.240.20]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A051E373C3 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:50:02 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3CF698D5.B9B0DCA3@dds.nl> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:25:41 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc justin@anacroatan.org wrote: > D De Villiers wrote: > > --snip-- > > The problem here is that everyone is using MS Windows as there > > main OS. So this is the target for all virus infection ! Here in South > > Africa (ZA) only some companies are using Linux (but at a minimum) where > > about 99% is running MS Windows. > --snip-- > > But, the design of a system is important too. Root, the only one who's account > can significantly harm my computer, cannot recieve mail (mail addressed to > root goes to my user account). A virus writer would have to request in their > email "please execute this code as root" and hope I did what they said. I don't > even have a way to automaticly run executables mailed to me (I could have a way, > yes, but I purposely set it up so I (and more importantly others who use this > machine who are less clueful) do not). "Note that if I can get you to \"su and say\" something just by asking, you have a very serious security problem on your system and you should look into it." (By Paul Vixie, vixie-cron 3.0.1 installation notes) However, although root might be necessary to completely destroy your computer, you're probably keeping most of your data under that user account, so a virus that simply deletes the victim's home directory and ignores the rest could in principal work. The real reason that Linux is so secure is that neither the script kiddies nor the people who click on viri are smart enough to understand how to use Linux. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu May 30 23:53:28 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DWvH-0000xY-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:53:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 30 May 2002 23:53:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DWv7-0000xS-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:53:17 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 30 May 2002 23:53:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DWuz-0000xM-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:53:09 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-240-20.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.240.20]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6753776F for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:53:05 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3CF6998D.CAAD211A@dds.nl> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:28:46 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc justin@anacroatan.org wrote: > How about a celular automata type programming language, where nodes that can > share data the most compatibly (read all each others .doc files and the other > guy's .tar.Bz2s) are the most vulnerable to viruses in the network coming from > "script kiddie" nodes. The nodes that are least vulnerable to these viruses > would have to constantly deal with corrupted or partially unreadable data from > the other type of node. Or maybe not. Other possibilities include a more generic > simulation where the more common kind of node (whichever kind it happens to be) > can intercommunicate the most efficiently, and is the most efficient vector for > disease. Just some thoughts as I wake up... Sounds interesting. Maybe now you're awake you can explain it more clearly... But remember that if this is a programming language, you have to give the programmer some reason to want to make script kiddie nodes. Thus, for the language to be interesting, viri have to actually be necessary in order to achieve Turing completeness. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri May 31 05:10:08 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DbrY-0001nK-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:09:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 31 May 2002 05:09:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dbr7-0001nE-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:09:29 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 31 May 2002 05:09:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: from static-dialup-isdn-ana.cu.soltec.net ([64.5.68.221] helo=study.anacroatan.org) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dbqy-0001n8-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 31 May 2002 05:09:21 +0300 Received: from justin by study.anacroatan.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17DcF8-0003cE-00 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:34:18 -0500 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! Message-Id: From: justin@anacroatan.org Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 21:34:18 -0500 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: justin@anacroatan.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Milo van Handel wrote: > Sounds interesting. Maybe now you're awake you can explain it more clearly... > But remember that if this is a programming language, you have to give the > programmer some reason to want to make script kiddie nodes. Thus, for the language > to be interesting, viri have to actually be necessary in order to achieve Turing > completeness. My initial idea sounds more and more like a simulation of some sort than a language now. Maybe It could be something analous to wierd or rube or that language with all the mice and cheese in it. I don't know that I could design a lanuage like that... The role of a script kiddie would be to reduce the number of active nodes, or to control the content of their network traffic, maybe... (the whole thing was thought up recovering from a fever and trying to quit smoking, and as noted before, just after I woke up, perhaps not the best state of mind for inventing an esoteric language, or maybe the optimal state). From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri May 31 07:53:26 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DePa-00024B-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:53:14 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 31 May 2002 07:53:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DePE-000245-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:52:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 31 May 2002 07:52:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [65.162.45.226] (helo=luminet.net) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DeOz-00023z-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:52:43 +0300 Received: (from dseaman@localhost) by localhost (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA00248 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:54:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:54:30 -0500 From: David Seaman Message-Id: <200205310454.XAA00248@luminet.net> To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Malbolge X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dseaman@luminet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dseaman@luminet.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hi, everybody. I am unlurking in order to present my first real Malbolge program--a "yes" utility. It prints an infinite number of y's. (It doesn't print linefeeds, though, like the real GNU version.) The idea is to pipe the output to commands that want interactive confirmation of whatever they're doing. Here it is: (&&A##>~~;{{8xx5uu2rr/oo,ll)i'hC$#"!~}|<:y'wvutsrU0 I started writing it about a month ago when someone asked about the Turing-completeness of Malbolge and whether it could do loops and arithmetic. I wanted to try out an idea of how it might do loops. Unfortunately for TC qualifications, this program only does an infinite loop so it doesn't count. Also, Malbolge is finite, and you can't even pretend the registers are indefinitely large because both of its operations depend on the size of the registers to define their results. The only way Malbolge lets you test conditions is to do a computed goto. So, an indefinite loop could be possible in theory, but would be very difficult. I'll let people play around with this if they want to before I explain how it works, in case anybody wants to figure it out themselves. I'm considering writing up a web page on Malbolge. I'll let you know when I do. David Seaman From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri May 31 08:21:59 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DerJ-0002Bt-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:21:53 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 31 May 2002 08:21:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Der3-0002Bl-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:21:37 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 31 May 2002 08:21:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.inf.tu-dresden.de ([141.76.2.1]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Deqq-0002Be-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:21:24 +0300 Received: from irz601.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz601.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.2.66]) by mail.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4V5LLj19952 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:21:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bf3@localhost) by irz601.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g4V5LLA29293 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:21:21 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:21:21 +0200 From: Bertram Felgenhauer To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Fortunatly For Me - Virus Blocking ! Message-ID: <20020531072121.A28900@irz601.inf.tu-dresden.de> References: <3CF698D5.B9B0DCA3@dds.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <3CF698D5.B9B0DCA3@dds.nl>; from Milo van Handel on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:25:41PM +0200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: bf3@mail.inf.tu-dresden.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: bf3@mail.inf.tu-dresden.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hi, > However, although root might be necessary to completely destroy your > computer, you're probably keeping most of your data under that user > account, so a virus that simply deletes the victim's home directory and > ignores the rest could in principal work. The real reason that Linux is > so secure is that neither the script kiddies nor the people who click on > viri are smart enough to understand how to use Linux. Hmm, actually I see the reason in the fact that Linux installations tend to be quite diverse and have quite few security holes compared to, say, Windows. Alas, this is changing - as more and more people are using Linux and the installation is becoming increasingly easier, the resulting Linux systems become more and more similar to each other. At the same time, the average Linux user becomes more and more clueless, and all that makes Linux increasingly interesting for the cracker community. In addition, a compromised Linux box is far more attractive than a compromised Windows box because it usually comes with lots of useful tools and even compilers already installed. I'm not talking of the email worm scenario here because software that executes code from emails without explicitely asking the user is still rare under Linux unless I've missed something. But things like buffer overflows are a problem, and with just a few distributions around they are easily exploitable remotely, and automatically. And while the average script kiddie might not be smart enough to understand that stuff, there are quite a few 'bad guys' who do. For example, http://www.phrachttp://www.phrack.org/phrack/58/p58-0x07 has an interesting article about on-the-fly kernel patching, complete with source code, and I've actually seen a compromised machine which had the provided 'tool' 'installed'. regards, Bertram -- `.oo' "Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for they ,. (`-' are subtle and quick to anger." -- J.R.R. Tolkien '^\`-' ) "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you c-L'- are crunchy and good with ketchup." -- Terry Pratchett From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri May 31 10:43:48 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dh4A-0002li-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dh42-0002lc-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dh3z-0002lW-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:07 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4V7h6O17777 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:06 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4V7h3r30491 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:04 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:03 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [chat] Re: worms In-Reply-To: <3CF646A4.48BB0214@decis.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Thu, 30 May 2002 justin@anacroatan.org wrote: > But, the design of a system is important too. Root, the only one who's account > can significantly harm my computer, cannot recieve mail (mail addressed to > root goes to my user account). A virus writer would have to request in their > email "please execute this code as root" and hope I did what they said. I don't ... given that the system does not contain holes that allow the code to obtain root permissions anyway. Of course, the "real authentication" scheme adds the difficulty of writing viri/worms, because there are not two layers that have to contain holes - the mail client, allowing code to be executed, and the OS, allowing user processes to obtain root privileges. However, in the case of pine on FreeBSD (which is what I'm usually using), these two conditions have been simultaneously fulfilled (and known as bugs) at least twice in the last year. > even have a way to automaticly run executables mailed to me (I could have a way, > yes, but I purposely set it up so I (and more importantly others who use this > machine who are less clueful) do not). I think the reason Unix-like OS's tend to be less vulnerable to attacks is that they come with a programmer attitude of "intelligence in received data is bad". The worst thing in M$ OS's is that the hegemonistic programmer attitude in those circles is very destructive and obscurantist. Unix-like OS's' programming culture is also crippled with dangerous manners, like insisting on using C for system tasks (how many security holes _would_ actually have been avoided if C had automatic bound checks?) On Thu, 30 May 2002, Frederic van der Plancke wrote: > I was thinking about the way SPAMmers manipulate mail headers to disguise > their actual origin. The worm [lang] has received had a bogus Sender field, > it seems, I was surprised by that (but probably should have not been.) The only somewhat reliable places to pick up the source are envelope "From" (not header "From:") and "Received:" headers, AFAIK. And those only if the sender did not find a sendmail open to relaying and spoofing. > Now, worms like the ones I've got carry on their own mail engine so I guess > they can forge, er, devise their headers at will. You need not write your own mail engine. MTA's don't care much about the headers, and the default install of sendmail on most architectures allows you to say "mail from anything@anyhost" as much as you want to. (They don't allow "rcpt to anyone@anyplace" in the default anymore.) > and the other reached me directly - guess the (human innocent) sender has my > address somewhere : not surprising. (But they were *different* worms...) Mutants? Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri May 31 10:47:40 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dh8N-0002mt-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:39 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dh88-0002mn-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:24 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dh80-0002mh-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:16 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4V7lFO18763 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:15 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4V7lC130831 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:12 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:47:12 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [prop] malware / users CA In-Reply-To: <3CF6998D.CAAD211A@dds.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Thu, 30 May 2002, Milo van Handel wrote: > But remember that if this is a programming language, you have to give the > programmer some reason to want to make script kiddie nodes. Thus, for the language > to be interesting, viri have to actually be necessary in order to achieve Turing > completeness. Maybe the viri could evolve into script kiddies eventually? -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri May 31 11:49:23 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Di5b-00034p-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:48:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 31 May 2002 11:48:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Di5H-00034g-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:48:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 31 May 2002 11:48:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Di58-00034a-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:48:22 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4V8mLO02698 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:48:21 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4V8mIB03064 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:48:18 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:48:18 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge In-Reply-To: <200205310454.XAA00248@luminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-696251126-1306589166-1022834898=:27281" X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---696251126-1306589166-1022834898=:27281 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (Attached - a malbolge interpreter for people who'd like to see what happens in a malbolge program) On Thu, 30 May 2002, David Seaman wrote: > I am unlurking in order to present my first real Malbolge program--a "yes" > utility. It prints an infinite number of y's. (It doesn't print linefeeds, A very impressive delurk if you ask me. (Although it doesn't actually implement a "yes" utility, at least in the unix way - the y's should be intertwined with newlines.) > (&&A##>~~;{{8xx5uu2rr/oo,ll)i'hC$#"!~}|<:y'wvutsrU0 This has opened my eyes a lot - I never spent much time examining the translation tables, which, after all, are the soul of Malbolge. It seems that some actual (in-core) instructions are indestructible, and if you put them into appropriate offsets, they can work as any command one wants to. What I find worrying in this jewel is that it relies on filling the memory with a pattern to allow for the jumps. This means it would be very hard to put _two_ loops in the same program... How did you come up with the command cycle that causes the putc() calls and data pointer jumps? > Unfortunately for TC qualifications, this program only does an infinite loop > so it doesn't count. Also, Malbolge is finite, and you can't even pretend Yes, it's definitely not a proof of TC (even if we adjusted Malbolge into an infinite memory model), but it does dwarf one of my main arguments of non-TC. And the program is surpirsingly short. Of course, the loop is a result of some five factors that just happen to be right, at most two of which I think could have been made on purpose (such as the indestructibility of command '0'). More complicated things would require all the more coincidents factors, and the possibility of finding those would degrade exponentially... And because of the translation modulus, there are actually only 94 offsets that might cause different behavior. Examining the results of different command cycles in these would result in a complete analysis of what can be done in Malbolge... 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Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17Dp3n-0003EX-04; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:15:27 +0200 Received: from dreizehn (320072378593-0001@[217.80.41.113]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17Dp3d-1MDukaC; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:15:17 +0200 From: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de (Gerson Kurz) To: Subject: [chat] Using Brainfuck to fight spam Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:15:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 320072378593-0001@t-dialin.net X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc I've written a POP3 proxy that can be used to filter spam mails, do DNSBL lookup and strip HTML. (Works on both Win32 & Linux, although recently i've only used it on Win32 so it might be broken on nix). Ideal if your mail client is outofl00k. What might be of interest to you is that you can write filter programs in brainfuck. It works like this: There are filter rules (and ignore rules), that are lists of expressions. Example: FILTER_THESE_SENDERS = [ "*.tw", "*@aol.com", ] tags anything from taiwan and from aol as spam. If you prefix the expression with !bf: you can add a brainfuck programm, as in FILTER_THESE_SENDERS = [ "!bf:++,++[..... which will be executed at runtime with one "argument", the token. (There are rules for "subject:", "from:", "to:" and so on - you can add additional keywords, too). The argument is feeded to the "," instruction, which will return 0 if the end of the string has been reached. The "." instruction, if executed, causes the mail to be tagged as spam; if the code does not produce any output, it is considered as non-spam. More detailed explanation: http://p-nand-q.com/pop3filter.htm From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 01 00:14:37 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DtjA-0005aW-00; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 00:14:28 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 01 Jun 2002 00:14:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dtie-0005aE-00; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 00:13:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 01 Jun 2002 00:13:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [65.162.45.158] (helo=luminet.net) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dti2-0005a8-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 00:13:20 +0300 Received: (from dseaman@localhost) by localhost (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00097 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:05:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:05:14 -0500 From: David Seaman Message-Id: <200205312105.QAA00097@luminet.net> To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dseaman@luminet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dseaman@luminet.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Fri, 31 May 2002 Panu A Kalliokoski wrote: > This has opened my eyes a lot - I never spent much time examining the > translation tables, which, after all, are the soul of Malbolge. It seems Just the second table is the soul of Malbolge. The first one is just obfuscation. One of the first things I did in exploring Malbolge was to rewrite the first table out of the specification. Within the next couple of weeks, I will post the unobfuscated Malbolge specification at http://www.luminet.net/~dseaman/malbolge.html. If it's not there by mid-June, get on my case about it. > that some actual (in-core) instructions are indestructible, and if you put > them into appropriate offsets, they can work as any command one wants to. Only the Jump command is indestructible. Because of the order it does things, it changes the program counter before it trashes the memory it points to. So, it trashes the word before the next byte to be executed, instead of the jump command itself. The rest of the commands trash themselves by replacing themselves with a byte from the lookup table. The lookup table is a permutation--it contains every legal byte once. This permutation has cycles of 68, 9, 6, 5, 4 and 2. So, the instructions come around again, eventually. In that sense they are indestructible, although there are no singleton cycles. > What I find worrying in this jewel is that it relies on filling the > memory with a pattern to allow for the jumps. This means it would be very > hard to put _two_ loops in the same program... The beauty of it is, that issue never comes up, since I haven't yet figured out how to break out of a loop. So if I have one infinite loop, it will never get to the second one :). But while I was finishing up on this, I thought of a better way to do things, which I think may allow me to write more complex programs. I don't want to reveal it just yet, so that I can get a head start on my 99 Bottles program. (I'm not sure that much is actually possible, but then again, I'm not sure it isn't.) > How did you come up with the command cycle that causes the putc() calls > and data pointer jumps? This has to do with finding permutation-cycles that contain only the instructions you want, and none that you don't. Undefined instructions are treated as no-ops, and the jump instruction is indestructible, so I needed to find a loop containing a Print instruction and a Load D instruction followed by a Jump. These instructions don't have to execute every iteration of the loop. By coincidence (I assume), the 6-cycle permutation, when placed at address 49 (or something congruent to 49 modulo 94), contains words interpreted as Print and Load D, and four undefined no-op instructions. > Of course, the loop is a result of some five factors that just happen to > be right, at most two of which I think could have been made on purpose > (such as the indestructibility of command '0'). More complicated things > would require all the more coincidents factors, and the possibility of > finding those would degrade exponentially... I got lucky in several ways. The magic address of 49 was in a nice location, so it didn't waste much space after the initialization code (which loads "y" into A by rotating it 10 times), and wasn't so low that I needed to waste bytes moving it up to address 49+94. The luckiest thing of all is how the Jump instruction landed where it had a code of 48, so that it could double as the last byte of the program, which determines what to fill memory with. Along with that, the second-to-last byte needed certain allowable values to make the memory-filling scheme work out; the Print instruction I originally intended did not work, but the Load D instruction, which was in the same instruction-permutation-cycle, did work! On the other hand, there are a large number of possible coincidences, so maybe finding some is not as unlikely as it seems. Each modulo-94 address has its own characteristics. Putting in a No-op instruction or changing the order of doing things opens up whole new sets of possibilities each time you change something. I'm curious, though, what your "five factors" are, and which of them you think might be intentional. I would also be curious to find out which things actually are--Ben, are you on this list?. > Anyway, thank you for this very interesting piece of code. You're welcome. David. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 01 02:24:32 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dvkm-0005qW-00; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 02:24:16 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 01 Jun 2002 02:24:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Dvjg-0005qQ-00; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 02:23:08 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 01 Jun 2002 02:23:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com ([204.127.198.39]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DvjX-0005qK-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 02:23:00 +0300 Received: from plutonium.mad.scientist.com ([12.253.59.46]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020531232247.WMGO11659.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@plutonium.mad.scientist.com> for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:22:47 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020531170205.0364dd80@mail.mines.edu> X-Sender: bolmstea@mail.mines.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:22:24 -0600 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi From: Ben Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge In-Reply-To: <200205312105.QAA00097@luminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: bem@mad.scientist.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: bem@mad.scientist.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc At 16:05 2002/05/31 -0500, David Seaman wrote: >[...] >I'm curious, though, what your "five factors" are, and which of them you >think might be intentional. I would also be curious to find out which >things actually are--Ben, are you on this list?. I've been invoked... None of the factors were intentional. Actually, I think the jump command's indestructability is a 'bug' in the interpreter (I put it in quotes because about half the Malbolge programmers think the interpreter is a reference implementation; the other half thinks that the docs are correct). It was certainly not what I wanted... which was that the only real loop in a Malbolge program would be the one that automatically happens when the IP moves from the top of the address space to the bottom. All else would be complicated conditionals. (If only because that was the only indestructable loop.) On the other hand, instruction loops were in my mind when I devised the trashing scheme, but I never worked out the full effects--just made something that was, in my mind, probably sufficiently complicated that interesting behaviour would fall out. On the note of reducing/eliminating the memory-size limitation--the easiest way would probably be to increase the word size, as that's what caused the limitation in the first place. Overall, impressive code you wrote. Not least because (I think) you are the first programmer to write a Malbolge program by hand. Ben From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 01 08:49:15 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17E1kh-0007OP-00; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 08:48:35 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 01 Jun 2002 08:48:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17E1kZ-0007OJ-00; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 08:48:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Sat, 01 Jun 2002 08:48:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17E1kX-0007OD-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 08:48:25 +0300 Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17E1kV-0000XD-05; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 07:48:23 +0200 Received: from dreizehn (320072378593-0001@[217.0.87.163]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17E1kT-1TqKm0C; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:48:21 +0200 From: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de (Gerson Kurz) To: Subject: [chat] a hires website Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:48:49 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 320072378593-0001@t-dialin.net X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Check http://www.guimp.com/ You can play "pong" on 20x20 pixels ;) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 02 22:47:16 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17EbJY-000CC5-00; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 22:46:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 02 Jun 2002 22:46:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17EbJP-000CBz-00; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 22:46:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Sun, 02 Jun 2002 22:46:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: from femail11.im.home.ne.jp ([203.165.11.233]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17EbJM-000CBt-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 22:46:44 +0300 Received: from cj3297404-a ([61.25.105.4]) by femail11.im.home.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20020602194630.EOWV27673.femail11.im.home.ne.jp@cj3297404-a> for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 04:46:30 +0900 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 04:46:28 +0900 From: Shinya Hayakawa To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [chat] Re: Using Brainfuck to fight spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20020603041358.449B.TETRYL@tokyoprogrammer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.00.11 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: tetryl@tokyoprogrammer.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: tetryl@tokyoprogrammer.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hi, On Fri, 31 May 2002 18:15:44 +0200 Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de (Gerson Kurz) wrote: > you can add a brainfuck programm, as in > > FILTER_THESE_SENDERS = [ > "!bf:++,++[..... > > which will be executed at runtime with one "argument", the token. (There are > rules for "subject:", "from:", "to:" and so on - you can add additional > keywords, too). The argument is feeded to the "," instruction, which will > return 0 if the end of the string has been reached. The "." instruction, if > executed, causes the mail to be tagged as spam; if the code does not produce > any output, it is considered as non-spam. > > More detailed explanation: http://p-nand-q.com/pop3filter.htm It is very interesting. Are there some examples of rules using bf? I just thought one rule.. "!bf:,----------------------------------------------------------------- -[.],------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------[.],---------------------------------------------------------- -----------------[.]" It matches a string that start with the 'foo', doesn't it? -- SH tetryl@tokyoprogrammer.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 03 12:03:42 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Enjs-000EZo-00; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:02:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:02:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Eni0-000EZa-00; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:01:00 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:00:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns2.sztaki.hu ([193.225.86.1] helo=lutra.sztaki.hu) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Enhr-000EZT-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:00:51 +0300 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sztaki.hu by sztaki.hu (PMDF V6.1-1 #30524) id <0GX400201H1AV9@sztaki.hu> for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:00:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sztaki.hu by sztaki.hu (PMDF V6.1-1 #30524) id <0GX400201H19V6@sztaki.hu> for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:00:45 +0200 (MEST) Resent-date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:00:45 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:00:41 +0200 From: Pal Benko Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020531170205.0364dd80@mail.mines.edu> Sender: benko@sztaki.hu To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Message-id: <7458-Mon03Jun2002110041+0200-benko@lutra.sztaki.hu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: emacs 20.6.1 (via feedmail 8 I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: benko@sztaki.hu Resent-Bcc: X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: benko@sztaki.hu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: benko@sztaki.hu Precedence: bulk X-list: misc From benko Mon Jun 3 11: 00 MES 2002 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020531170205.0364dd80@mail.mines.edu> > Overall, impressive code you wrote. Not least because (I think) you > are the first programmer to write a Malbolge program by hand. I'm impressed, too. But have you seen http://www.antwon.com/index.php?p=3D234 ? (Well, I don't really know whether those programs were written by hand or not.) Benko Pal From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 03 20:12:44 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17EvNa-000GIR-00; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:12:26 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:12:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17EvNS-000GIL-00; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:12:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:12:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17EvNP-000GIF-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:12:15 +0300 Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17EvNI-0007Ye-0D; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:12:08 +0200 Received: from dreizehn (320072378593-0001@[217.80.41.33]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17EvN4-0ZajTsC; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:11:54 +0200 From: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de (Gerson Kurz) To: Subject: [chat] AW: Re: Using Brainfuck to fight spam Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:12:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020603041358.449B.TETRYL@tokyoprogrammer.com> X-Sender: 320072378593-0001@t-dialin.net X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > It is very interesting. > Are there some examples of rules using bf? I've looked at pattern match against "*@hotmail.com" which is not so difficult - just check if addr[-12:] matches "@hotmail.com". There are two problems: - negative indices cause python to raise an exception -> I'll probably add negative-index wrapping - it is much easier to code if the rule is relaxed: Printing '0' will tag the message as non-spam, and '1' as spam. This makes it easier to abort earlier (if addr[-12] <> '@' the code can abort) Anyway, it was just a joke idea - you know me. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 10 19:08:44 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HRiA-000ITd-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:08:07 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:07:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HRfF-000ITG-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:05:05 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:04:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.100.64.102] (helo=mail.esoteric.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HRf4-000IT8-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:04:57 +0300 From: "HAMZA PIUS" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:04:42 To:lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: hampius@wowmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: hampius@wowmail.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc ATTN: PRESIDENT/C.E.O DEAR SIR, RE: BUSINESS PROPOSAL. MY NAME IS BARRISTER HAMZA PIUS AND I AM AN ATTORNEY AND I REPRESENT A CONSORTIUM OF RETIRED GENERALS IN MYCOUNTRY NIGERIA. IN LINE WITH SOME OF MY RESPONSIBILITES, I OFTEN SOURCE FOR FOREIGN INVESTMENTS, WHICH THEY COULDINVESTIN. PRESENTLY WE HAVE SOME FUNDS AT OUR DESPOSAL TO THE TUNE OF US$ 38.6 MILLION IN WHICH WE INTEND TO INVEST EITHER WITH YOUR ORGANISATION OR ANY VIABLEINVESTMENT RECOMMENDED BY YOU. 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REGARDS, BARRISTER HAMZA PIUS From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 11 00:14:54 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HWUq-000JFn-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:14:40 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:14:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HWUP-000JFh-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:14:13 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:14:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.181]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HWUG-000JFa-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:14:04 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-246-202.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.246.202]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B7E8A4994 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:13:52 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rebecca.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D052096.87A43FF6@dds.nl> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:56:38 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc How did this idiot get in? Well, at least he's a Nigerian, so that might partially excuse his awful English. But spam isn't acceptable from any country. And does he really think to find anyone this way? Anyway, this must be an automated spam sender, because no human would be so stupid as to post this sort of stuff to a mailing list obviously intended for esoteric languages, and because I received a private email which was exactly the same. I propose that we allow only subscribed people to post to the list. This eliminates spambots, which are too stupid to understand about subscribing, while not bothering real posters since any human is smart enough to subscribe to the list. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 11 01:39:24 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HXoT-000JUJ-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:39:01 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:38:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HXo2-000JUC-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:38:34 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:38:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bumba-din.bumba.net ([66.134.216.210] helo=bumba.net) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HXnt-000JU6-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:38:25 +0300 Received: (from hmaon@localhost) by bumba.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) id g5AMcIH02113 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:38:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:38:18 -0400 From: Greg Velichansky To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. Message-ID: <20020610223818.GA2084@bumba.net> References: <3D052096.87A43FF6@dds.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D052096.87A43FF6@dds.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: hmaon@bumba.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: hmaon@bumba.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc begin Milo van Handel, on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 11:56:38PM +0200 wrote: [...] > while not bothering real posters since any human is smart enough to subscribe > to the list. I got this scam addressed to me personally twice and twice more addressed to other lists. It's just an email harvester, I guess. -- Greg V. (hmaon) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 11 03:36:39 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HZe0-000JzL-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:36:20 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:36:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web10907.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.131.43]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HZdq-000JzF-00 for misc@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:36:11 +0300 Message-ID: <20020611003606.9549.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.161.231] by web10907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:36:06 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Connors Subject: Re: FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. To: HAMZA PIUS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: connorbd@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc my conditions are as follows: -Total anonymity -- we never meet or even check up on each other. -All transactions are to be through a numbered offshore account in the Cayman Islands. -In order for me to even consider doing business with you, you must send a courier to the village of Chatham, Massachusetts with the sum of $2000 US in unmarked bills of denomination no greater than $20. I have dealt with this kind of routine before and am practiced at detecting most kinds of markings. Your courier is to leave it in the men's room behind the town hall on July 1 at noon with an explanation of the plan, contained in a purple Eastpak backpack (may be obtained at any sporting goods store in the area for about $40). If there is no further problem and I am satisfied with the plan, I will let you know my decision by email within 24 hours. You are to send no further communication apart from an acknowledgement that my proposal has been accepted and that you will comply. Any other response will be ignored and we will not do business. /Brian ===== -- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 11 03:37:56 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HZfW-000K02-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:37:54 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:37:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HZfD-000Jzo-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:37:35 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:37:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web10906.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.131.42]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HZf4-000Jzi-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:37:27 +0300 Message-ID: <20020611003724.7152.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.157.161.231] by web10906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:37:24 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Connors Subject: [lang] Re: FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <20020610223818.GA2084@bumba.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: connorbd@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: connorbd@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc --- Greg Velichansky wrote: > begin Milo van Handel, on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at > 11:56:38PM +0200 wrote: > [...] > > while not bothering real posters since any human > is smart enough to subscribe > > to the list. > > I got this scam addressed to me personally twice and > twice more addressed to > other lists. It's just an email harvester, I guess. It's a slimmed-down version of the Nigerian 419 scam. The message I just posted is a chain-yank I sent back to the spammer just to see what happens. How does one relate scammage to esolanging, I wonder? /Brian ===== -- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 11 13:59:33 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HjMl-000Lxl-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:59:11 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:59:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HjMC-000Lxb-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:58:36 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:58:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from wells.tecc.co.uk ([195.217.37.90] helo=-f) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17HjM3-000LxU-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:58:27 +0300 Received: from basingstoke.tecc.co.uk (basingstoke.tecc.co.uk [195.217.37.75]) by -f (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11123 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:58:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:58:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200206111058.LAA11123@-f> From: Mike Taylor To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-reply-to: <3D052096.87A43FF6@dds.nl> (message from Milo van Handel on Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:56:38 +0200) Subject: [lang] Re: FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. References: <3D052096.87A43FF6@dds.nl> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mike@tecc.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mike@tecc.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:56:38 +0200 > From: Milo van Handel > > How did this idiot get in? Well, at least he's a Nigerian, so that > might partially excuse his awful English. But spam isn't acceptable > from any country. What, you didn't recognise it? It's the canonical "99 bottles" program in the SPAM language. _/|_ _______________________________________________________________ /o ) \/ Mike Taylor www.miketaylor.org.uk )_v__/\ "If the sparkle fades from your writing, keep writing till you figure out how to get it back" -- Kristin Johnson. :-) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 14 09:50:02 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Iks7-000981-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:47:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:47:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17IkqP-00097p-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:46:01 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:45:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17IkqF-00097j-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:45:51 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5E6jms00708 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:45:49 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:46:34 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <3D052096.87A43FF6@dds.nl> <200206111058.LAA11123@-f> In-Reply-To: <200206111058.LAA11123@-f> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206132346.34515.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tuesday 11 June 2002 03:58 am, you wrote: > What, you didn't recognise it? It's the canonical "99 bottles" > program in the SPAM language. Hmmm.... HQSPAM+. I still exist, incidentally. I'm working on a not-entirely-esoteric lang= uage,=20 which was originally intended for image processing. During development,=20 however, the language design struck me as being really interesting for=20 general-purpose development, so I'm widening the scope a bit. Stay tuned= =2E For now, I'll say this: if Forth and Lisp were to have a horrid lovechild= ,=20 that abomination of nature would look a lot like this language Think 'pu= sh=20 the function onto the stack...' -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 14 10:52:15 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Ilqw-0009Lo-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:50:39 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:50:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17IlqL-0009LW-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:50:01 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:49:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mrwaynxd-new.lnk.telstra.net ([139.130.76.194] helo=gateway.michel.com.au) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17IlqA-0009LP-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:49:51 +0300 Received: from ork (ork.michel.com.au [203.18.139.105]) by gateway.michel.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g5E7nfW05049 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:49:41 +1000 From: "Ryan Michel" To: Subject: [lang] Re: FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:49:44 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <200206132346.34515.cbiffle@safety.net> Importance: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk X-list: misc I alrady wrote a programming language like that and am in the process of implementing it in c++. Its called lobol (logical one bit operator language), it is imperitive but only one bit may be looked at or modified each instruction. All manipulations must be pushed onto a stack and then popped off. Another one I am also implementing is pliptogwql (plip for short) that uses a seperate source file to determine what functions get pushed onto the stack and which ones do not using decisions, loops and sequential flow control. The inner language has no decision or iterative operations though. It is so much fun writing and implementing languages. ryan -----Original Message----- From: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of Cliff L. Biffle Sent: Friday, 14 June 2002 4:47 PM To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. On Tuesday 11 June 2002 03:58 am, you wrote: > What, you didn't recognise it? It's the canonical "99 bottles" > program in the SPAM language. Hmmm.... HQSPAM+. I still exist, incidentally. I'm working on a not-entirely-esoteric language, which was originally intended for image processing. During development, however, the language design struck me as being really interesting for general-purpose development, so I'm widening the scope a bit. Stay tuned. For now, I'll say this: if Forth and Lisp were to have a horrid lovechild, that abomination of nature would look a lot like this language Think 'push the function onto the stack...' -Cliff L. Biffle --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 14 11:26:39 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ImOB-0009Uk-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:24:59 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:24:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ImNl-0009Ud-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:24:33 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:24:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from artemis.ee.teiath.gr ([195.130.107.17]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ImNc-0009UX-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:24:24 +0300 Received: from xpakccp18hkqn8 (ppp6.ee.teiath.gr [195.130.107.59]) by artemis.ee.teiath.gr (8.11.2/8.8.7) with SMTP id g5E96UO19875 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:06:30 +0300 Message-ID: <008b01c2137c$70ca6520$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> From: "Al. Andreou" To: References: <3D052096.87A43FF6@dds.nl> <200206111058.LAA11123@-f> <200206132346.34515.cbiffle@safety.net> Subject: [lang] Re: FOREIGN PARTNER REQUIRED. Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:21:08 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > For now, I'll say this: if Forth and Lisp were to have a horrid lovechild, > that abomination of nature would look a lot like this language Think 'push > the function onto the stack...' You wouldn't by any chance mean 'RPL' :) . Al. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 15 23:52:46 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JKXD-000Frb-00; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:52:35 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:52:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JKWX-000FrV-00; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:51:53 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:51:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JKWN-000FrP-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:51:44 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5FKpes32280 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:51:41 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:52:15 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206132346.34515.cbiffle@safety.net> <008b01c2137c$70ca6520$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> In-Reply-To: <008b01c2137c$70ca6520$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206151352.15620.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Friday 14 June 2002 01:21 am, you wrote: > You wouldn't by any chance mean 'RPL' :) . The first person to read over the code said that, actually. :-) I admit I'm not well versed in RPL (I'm a TI guy historically), but Voodo= o=20 (working title) is a little more heavily Lisp influenced than RPL, methin= ks. =20 But I'll have to read over my RPL documentation. In any case, the language is a little fleshier, and here's some simple sa= mple=20 code. The syntax will mostly be familiar to anyone who's run across Forth= or=20 RPL, but I'll annotate a bit. Here's an implementation of 'min', which returns the smallest value in a = list=20 of values. :min listtype type_max : > if swap drop dupe then ; 1 argwalk ; Picked apart: --listtype returns a code indicating the type of items in the list, witho= ut=20 consuming the list reference on the stack. --type_max consumes the type code and returns the largest value that can = be=20 represented in that type. --the inner :...; is an anonymous function. It is defined at runtime, an= d a=20 reference to it pushed onto the stack. --argwalk takes a specified number of arguments (in this case, 1, which i= s the=20 type_max value pushed earlier) and a reference to a function (the anonymo= us=20 one) and then applies the function to each element of the list using the=20 given argument. This implementation of min is type-agnostic, because functions in Voodoo = are=20 capable of being polymorphic according to the types of their arguments (C= ++=20 and Java would say 'overloaded'). (The stack, incidentally, is typed. P= ush=20 an int, and it will stay an int unless you convert it.) Here's another: :total # Sums all elements of a list. 0 {+} 1 argwalk ; (Referring to a function in {curly braces} pushes a reference to it onto = the=20 stack, allowing it to be manipulated like the anonymous function above.) :avg # Finds the arithmetic mean of items in a list. dupe total swap length swapunder / ; (swapunder exchanges the two cells immediately under the topmost cell of = the=20 stack.) Something that may prove interesting but that I don't have sample code fo= r yet=20 is that functions can be disassembled, reassembled, and composited at=20 runtime. (Functions in forth have always been represented as lists, but=20 nobody realized it. :-) I have a more complete language specification in the works. I'll be happ= y to=20 pass around a rough draft if anyone's interested. -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 16 00:16:33 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JKuM-000FxJ-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:16:30 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:16:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JKu4-000FxD-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:16:12 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:16:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from artemis.ee.teiath.gr ([195.130.107.17]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JKtw-000Fx7-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:16:04 +0300 Received: from xpakccp18hkqn8 (ppp7.ee.teiath.gr [195.130.107.60]) by artemis.ee.teiath.gr (8.11.2/8.8.7) with SMTP id g5FLw5O27535 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:58:05 +0300 Message-ID: <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> From: "Al. Andreou" To: References: <200206132346.34515.cbiffle@safety.net> <008b01c2137c$70ca6520$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> <200206151352.15620.cbiffle@safety.net> Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:12:38 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by artemis.ee.teiath.gr id g5FLw5O27535 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > In any case, the language is a little fleshier, and here's some simple sample > code. The syntax will mostly be familiar to anyone who's run across For= th or > RPL, but I'll annotate a bit. > > Here's an implementation of 'min', which returns the smallest value in = a list > of values. It doesn't look like an esoteric language, it's rather than a powerfull general- purpose language (for thinking types, not VB peons). After learning about RPN- languages, I have started wondering what I (and the rest of the coding world) am doing with standard prefix/infix notation :) . A distribution ready you will have when? __ .=B4 `. Al. Andreou | :' ! http://nemesis.ee.teiath.gr/~ee4299/ `. `=B4 As the venerable Descates once almost said, `- CODITO, ERGO SUM From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 16 00:49:04 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JLPr-000G3h-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:49:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:48:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JLPa-000G3b-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:48:46 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:48:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JLPR-000G3V-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:48:37 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5FLmYs02267 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:48:35 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:49:10 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206151352.15620.cbiffle@safety.net> <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> In-Reply-To: <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206151449.10254.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Saturday 15 June 2002 02:12 pm, you wrote: > It doesn't look like an esoteric language, it's rather than a powerfull > general-purpose language (for thinking types, not VB peons). I'll be happy to write a runtime library for VB people. It will cause th= e=20 code to run 20% slower and occupy 200% more RAM. :-) (I was a professional VB programmer for five years during the era where t= hey=20 were trying to decide whether to really go OO or not. That was....fun.) It (Voodoo) started out rather esoteric; it was intended to be an image=20 permutation language that could produce small cross-platform binaries tha= t=20 you could then apply to images using a simple VM. (I do a lot of web wor= k=20 using the GD libraries; this is just a level of abstraction beyond them.)= =20 However, it's started to become general-purpose. Perhaps I should move=20 discussion to the chat list? :-) Incidentally, since this language is semi-functional, can someone explain= to=20 me how monads are different than global variables? :-) > After learning about RPN-languages, I have started wondering what I > (and the rest of the coding world) am doing with standard prefix/infix > notation :) . Mentioning Forth around programmers typically gets me a look of revulsion= ,=20 until I walk them through how RPN works. Then, I see the light go on. "= You=20 mean, we don't -need- parentheses?" :-) At the university I briefly founded a Society for Reverse Polish Notation= ,=20 abbreviated (of course) NPRS. Because I'm a smartass like that. > A distribution ready you will have when? Documentation should be ready within the next couple of days, which inclu= des=20 the list of pre-defined functions and virtual machine spec. I hope to st= art=20 on the actual implementation tonight, it being a Saturday and me being a=20 geek. :-) Like Forth, I intend to implement Voodoo in Voodoo with the exception of=20 operations I consider atomic (such as addition). (I consider this=20 self-hosting one of the more powerful aspects of Forth -- the fact that e= ven=20 things like 'if' are generally written in the language itself.) This wil= l=20 allow built-in functions to be altered or redefined at runtime just like=20 user-defined functions. (Whether or not this is a good idea is left as a= n=20 exercise to the programmer. :-) I also hope to take advantage of some of the four decades of research int= o=20 Forth to produce a native-code compiler for Voodoo. But we'll see. :-) -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 16 01:06:47 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JLgw-000G8v-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:06:42 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:06:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JLgd-000G8p-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:06:23 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:06:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JLgU-000G8j-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:06:14 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5FM68s03003 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:06:08 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] [voodoo] Obligatory Examples Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:06:48 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206151352.15620.cbiffle@safety.net> <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> In-Reply-To: <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206151506.48493.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc I almost forgot. Here are the obligatory examples. # 99 BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL # This shows the overloading on the emit{-line} function. It outputs num= bers # in formatted decimal, characters as characters, and will recursively ap= ply # itself to lists (like strings). # emit-line is identical to emit but outputs a system newline when comple= ted. :song 99 1 : # a single verse, defined as an anonymous function dupe 1 =3D if # Last bottle? "One bottle of beer on the wall," emit-line "One bottle of beer," emit-line "Take it down, pass it around," emit-line "No more beer!" emit-line drop # We didn't consume the beer count, so get rid of it else dupe dupe 1- hide emit " bottles of beer on the wall," emit-line emit " bottles of beer," emit-line "Take one down, pass it around," emit-line emit " bottles of beer on the wall." emit-line then ; for ; # HELLO WORLD :hello "Hello, world!" emit-line ; # FIBONACCI SEQUENCE # Computes each value in the sequence and outputs it to the screen # on its own line. # The start of the sequence is passed in on the stack. # To start with 1, use '1 fibber' # Runs until a zero is generated, which, by my figures, will be quite a w= hile. :fibber dupe : dupe emit-line # Print last value dupe hide + # Generate next value ; while ; (Run on the PnPVM (pencil-and-paper virtual machine) the output is 1, 2, = 3, 5,=20 8... as expected.) (The 'while' function, incidentally, nabs a function reference off the st= ack=20 and looks at the cell under it. If the cell is non-zero, the function is= =20 called. If the cell on the top of the stack after the function is still=20 non-zero, it's called again. And so forth. While does not consume the c= ell=20 it peeks at.) -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 16 01:52:48 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JMPR-000GFk-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:52:42 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:52:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JMP2-000GFe-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:52:16 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:52:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net ([24.71.223.10] helo=pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JMOp-000GFY-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:52:08 +0300 Received: from pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.179]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GXR005CURF8Q7@l-daemon> for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml2so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.146]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GXR00EG5RFHA9@l-daemon> for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (h24-78-145-92.vc.shawcable.net [24.78.145.92]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0GXR00GONRFEBH@l-daemon> for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:56:02 +0000 From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) In-reply-to: <200206151449.10254.cbiffle@safety.net> To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Message-id: <20020615155602.3461cc80.ayzik@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <200206151352.15620.cbiffle@safety.net> <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> <200206151449.10254.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ayzik@shaw.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ayzik@shaw.ca Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:49:10 -0700 "Cliff L. Biffle" wrote: > Mentioning Forth around programmers typically gets me a look of revulsion, > until I walk them through how RPN works. Then, I see the light go on. "You > mean, we don't -need- parentheses?" :-) Hm, interesting. Of course, something like lispy (+ 1 (* 2 3)) is easily converted to "2 3 * 1 +". But what about (foo bar (lenin marx mao)) ? In a functional language, How would you differentiate between functions and their arguments? Something like "marx mao 'lenin bar 'foo" seems ugly. Something like "'marx 'mao lenin 'bar foo" is even more ugly. Hm. Sorry if this hasn't got anything to do with the topic -- just thinking aloud. (I don't know Forth, either) BTW, I'm the creator of BEST and SMETANA->Smallfuck converter - my e-mail changed. __ <(oO)> Cthulhu () ASCII ribbon campaign /||\ Fhtagn! /\ against HTML mail From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 16 01:59:05 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JMVc-000GHY-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:59:04 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:58:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JMVO-000GHR-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:58:50 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:58:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: from artemis.ee.teiath.gr ([195.130.107.17]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JMVF-000GHL-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:58:41 +0300 Received: from xpakccp18hkqn8 (ppp7.ee.teiath.gr [195.130.107.60]) by artemis.ee.teiath.gr (8.11.2/8.8.7) with SMTP id g5FNegO27876 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:40:42 +0300 Message-ID: <04c301c214bf$b73702e0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> From: "Al. Andreou" To: References: <200206151352.15620.cbiffle@safety.net> <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> <200206151449.10254.cbiffle@safety.net> Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:55:14 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by artemis.ee.teiath.gr id g5FNegO27876 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > At the university I briefly founded a Society for Reverse Polish Notati= on, > abbreviated (of course) NPRS. Because I'm a smartass like that. Since... now :) #nprs on EFnet :) . __ .=B4 `. Al. Andreou | :' ! http://nemesis.ee.teiath.gr/~ee4299/ `. `=B4 As the venerable Descates once almost said, `- CODITO, ERGO SUM From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 16 02:29:04 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JMyU-000GNI-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:28:54 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:28:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JMyE-000GNC-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:28:39 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:28:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JMy5-000GN6-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:28:29 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5FNSRs06466 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:28:27 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:29:01 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206151449.10254.cbiffle@safety.net> <20020615155602.3461cc80.ayzik@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <20020615155602.3461cc80.ayzik@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206151629.01197.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Saturday 15 June 2002 08:56 am, you wrote: > Hm, interesting. Of course, something like lispy (+ 1 (* 2 3)) is easil= y > converted to "2 3 * 1 +". All the similarities between Forth and Lisp are what started this project= =2E :-) > But what about (foo bar (lenin marx mao)) ? In a > functional language, How would you differentiate between functions and > their arguments? '{mao} {marx} lenin {bar} foo' in Voodoo, assuming they're all functions.= =20 Voodoo lacks Lisp's concept of symbols, currently, though I'm working on = it. =20 Function names can be treated somewhat like symbols, using the curly brac= es=20 above (which, like Lisp's ' convention, prevents it from attempting to=20 execute it, and instead pushes a reference to the function itself). This is assuming I've interpreted your statement correctly. You're apply= ing=20 the function 'lenin' to 'marx' and 'mao', and then applying the function=20 'foo' to the symbol 'bar' and to the results of the earlier call to lenin= ,=20 yes? > Sorry if this hasn't got anything to do with the topic -- just thinking > aloud. (I don't know Forth, either) Thinking aloud is good. I'm now considering how best to deal in symbols = in=20 Voodoo. :-) Voodoo also does not currently have named variables, pending research int= o how=20 monads would influence the design in that respect. -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 16 02:38:22 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JN7c-000GRp-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:38:20 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:38:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JN7S-000GRj-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:38:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:38:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JN7J-000GRd-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:38:01 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5FNbws06885 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:37:59 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] [voodoo] self-hosting languages Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:38:40 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206151449.10254.cbiffle@safety.net> <04c301c214bf$b73702e0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> In-Reply-To: <04c301c214bf$b73702e0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206151638.40808.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc I had mentioned earlier that Voodoo, like Forth, is largely written in it= self. =20 I'm working on the implementation now, and have just completed the =3D=3D= =20 operator. If you have two lists on the stack, and run '=3D' against them= , it=20 compares their references to see if both cells 'point' to the same list. = =3D=3D,=20 on the other hand, recursively compares the elements to find out if the l= ists=20 are really -identical-. =3D=3D can be, obviously, quite a bit slower. So here's =3D=3D. The first version is without comments, to demonstrate = what a=20 wonderful write-only language I've concocted. The second version is with= =20 comments, if you're interested. :=3D=3D type fetch type swapunder is-list swap is-list and if list-type fetch list-type swapunder =3D hide length fetch length swapun= der =3D 3 nfetch and if 0 TRUE : 3hide dupe hide swap dupe fetch @ swap 4 nhide hide swap dupe fetch = dupe 5 nhide @ swap 5 nhide =3D=3D and ; while 3hide drop drop drop else FALSE then else =3D then ; :=3D=3D # Are both operands lists? type fetch type swapunder is-list swap is-list and if # Yes. list-type fetch list-type swapunder =3D # Compare element types hide # Save for later. length fetch length swapunder =3D # Compare list lengths 3 nfetch # Get element comparison and # Both are TRUE? if # Yes. Lists are of same length and type. # Compare each element of lists using =3D=3D. # ... list1 list2 0 # initial index TRUE # still could be true : 3hide dupe hide swap dupe fetch @ swap 4 nhide hide swap dupe fetch = dupe 5 nhide @ swap 5 nhide # ... list1 list2 index flag element2 element1 =3D=3D # recurse! ... list1 list2 index flag new-flag and # ... list1 list2 index flag ; while 3hide drop drop drop else # No. Something about the two lists is different. FALSE # Comparison failed then else # No. =3D # Delegate responsibility to the standard =3D operator. then ; From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 16 17:34:45 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Jb6C-000Ii5-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:33:48 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:33:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Jb4D-000IfO-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:31:45 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:31:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Jb44-000IfI-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:31:37 +0300 Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17Jb43-0003ov-03; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:31:35 +0200 Received: from esoteric.holy-unicorn (340009195196-0001@[217.231.23.184]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17Jb3s-05pbJQC; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:31:24 +0200 Received: from esoteric.holy-unicorn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by esoteric.holy-unicorn (8.12.1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5GEe6Xj036837 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:40:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from markus@esoteric.holy-unicorn) Received: (from markus@localhost) by esoteric.holy-unicorn (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g5GEe6TJ036836 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:40:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:40:06 +0200 From: markus.kliegl@t-online.de (Markus Kliegl) To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] self-hosting languages Message-ID: <20020616164006.A36768@esoteric> References: <200206151449.10254.cbiffle@safety.net> <04c301c214bf$b73702e0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> <200206151638.40808.cbiffle@safety.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200206151638.40808.cbiffle@safety.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Sender: 340009195196-0001@t-dialin.net X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: markus.kliegl@t-online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: markus.kliegl@t-online.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc * Cliff L. Biffle [020616 02:30]: > I had mentioned earlier that Voodoo, like Forth, is largely written in itself. > I'm working on the implementation now, and have just completed the == > operator. If you have two lists on the stack, and run '=' against them, it > compares their references to see if both cells 'point' to the same list. ==, > on the other hand, recursively compares the elements to find out if the lists > are really -identical-. == can be, obviously, quite a bit slower. [...] Not too relevant, but it's usually the other way around. 'identical' stems from 'identity', which means the things are the same thing in memory (i.e. pointer comparison). That is == in Ocaml and eq in Lisp. The recursive comparing of the elements is equal in Lisp and = in Ocaml (well, or pattern matching). RPL has the same terminology as Lisp in these and many other respects. Markus From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 16 19:53:14 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JdGq-000J2M-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:52:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:52:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JdGS-000J2G-00; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:52:32 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:52:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JdGJ-000J2A-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:52:23 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5GGqAs20733 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:52:10 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] self-hosting languages Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:52:30 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206151638.40808.cbiffle@safety.net> <20020616164006.A36768@esoteric> In-Reply-To: <20020616164006.A36768@esoteric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206160952.30551.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Sunday 16 June 2002 07:40 am, you wrote: > Not too relevant, but it's usually the other way around. 'identical' > stems from 'identity', which means the things are the same thing in > memory (i.e. pointer comparison). That is =3D=3D in Ocaml and eq in > Lisp. The recursive comparing of the elements is equal in Lisp > and =3D in Ocaml (well, or pattern matching). RPL has the same > terminology as Lisp in these and many other respects. Perfectly relevant! That's why I tend to bore y'all with non-esoteric=20 languages: if there's anywhere that someone will be able to provide me wi= th=20 suggestions from real languages, it's here. :-) I played with RPL only passingly, which basically means I read over the d= ocs=20 and worked out some code but never got to actually use the calculator. =20 Suggestions from RPL are much appreciated. Incidentally, if anyone's concerned about cluttering the (otherwise silen= t,=20 but hey) list with non-esoteric traffic, feel free to mail me directly. -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 17 13:01:45 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JtBS-000MED-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:52:26 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:52:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Jt9n-000MDq-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:50:43 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:50:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Jt9R-000MDh-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:50:21 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5H9oFj30237 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:50:19 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5H9o7q21779 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:50:10 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:50:06 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo In-Reply-To: <200206151629.01197.cbiffle@safety.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > --the inner :...; is an anonymous function. It is defined at runtime, and a > reference to it pushed onto the stack. Does the language support variables (or any other kind of binding names to values)? If so, does it have nested scopes? I ask this because nested scopes bring "true flesh" to anonymous functions... > This implementation of min is type-agnostic, because functions in Voodoo are > capable of being polymorphic according to the types of their arguments (C++ > and Java would say 'overloaded'). (The stack, incidentally, is typed. Push > an int, and it will stay an int unless you convert it.) Does it mean that _every_ data type defines operations of all data types? What does division do on strings? Can one define new types? > :total # Sums all elements of a list. > 0 {+} 1 argwalk ; > (Referring to a function in {curly braces} pushes a reference to it onto the > stack, allowing it to be manipulated like the anonymous function above.) Apparently one cannot push a function along with an argument, except by forming a new anonymous function, like : 3 {+} ; -- but what if I want the argument to be determined by the outer scope: can I write a function that takes an argument, x, and returns a function that will multiply its argument by x? > runtime. (Functions in forth have always been represented as lists, but > nobody realized it. :-) I think you'd get more nods if you called them "lists of words". On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Al. Andreou wrote: > After learning about RPN- languages, I have started wondering what I > (and the rest of the coding world) am doing with standard prefix/infix > notation :) . Well, some find it more intuitive. It can be translated into RPN anyway, so why have humans do the job? (sic) On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > Incidentally, since this language is semi-functional, can someone explain to > me how monads are different than global variables? :-) Ouch. You apparently mean updatable-state monads, because monads in general have nothing to do with global variables. As for updatable-state monads, the main differences with globals are: 1) They can be first-class (so a whole environment can be saved, given as argument, etc. 2) They can impose additional restrictions on or services for state-changes. 3) State tracking is well-defined for them, and side-effectless computations can be lowered out of the monad for parallel, lazy, etc. computation. 4) They're part of the functional setup around them, and there is no way you could fuck up order of evaluation with them. > until I walk them through how RPN works. Then, I see the light go on. "You > mean, we don't -need- parentheses?" :-) I think the parenthese notation is beautiful, particularly as it lets people specify just how many arguments they want to give to a function (in functional languages): map (add 1) [blahblahblah] button#set_on_click (function () -> popup "You clicked the button") fold_left (+) [1..10] On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote: > Hm, interesting. Of course, something like lispy (+ 1 (* 2 3)) is easily > converted to "2 3 * 1 +". But what about (foo bar (lenin marx mao)) ? In > a functional language, How would you differentiate between functions and > their arguments? I think usually the different "words" contain anyway some information of how they are to be treated. In functional-like languages, functions "push" themselves and arguments "apply" themselves by the topmost function in the stack. In forth-like languages, arguments "push" themselves and functions take their arguments from the stack. All in all, if one develops a stack machine, it naturally evolves into lambda calculus' direction if one considers FPN (operations first), and into bytecode's (forth's) direction if one considers RPN. This was the idea in my once-thought-about language of FPN, where there were three kinds of "words": functions, arguments and direct stack manipulators. For example, to use higher order functions, one would use a special "take the topmost function from the stack and feed it as an argument to the function under it" operator. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > '{mao} {marx} lenin {bar} foo' in Voodoo, assuming they're all functions. A little akin to Haskell's sections: 1+3 is 4, (1+) is the function to increment by one, (+) is the addition function. > the function 'lenin' to 'marx' and 'mao', and then applying the function > 'foo' to the symbol 'bar' and to the results of the earlier call to lenin, > yes? Wow! I'm in for using ideological names as foo-words. Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 17 17:47:45 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Jxmx-0000vW-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:47:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:47:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Jxm1-0000vH-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:46:29 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:46:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from wells.tecc.co.uk ([195.217.37.90] helo=-f) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Jxls-0000vB-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:46:20 +0300 Received: from basingstoke.tecc.co.uk (basingstoke.tecc.co.uk [195.217.37.75]) by -f (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00505; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:46:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:46:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200206171446.PAA00505@-f> From: Mike Taylor To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi CC: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-reply-to: <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> (ee4299@ee.teiath.gr) Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) References: <200206132346.34515.cbiffle@safety.net> <008b01c2137c$70ca6520$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> <200206151352.15620.cbiffle@safety.net> <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mike@tecc.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mike@tecc.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 17 20:59:57 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K0lM-0001RZ-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:58:00 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:57:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K0lE-0001RT-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:57:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:57:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K0lB-0001RN-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:57:49 +0300 Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17K0l8-0001UO-08; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:57:46 +0200 Received: from dreizehn (320072378593-0001@[217.0.88.39]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17K0l5-0rLUG0C; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:57:43 +0200 From: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de (Gerson Kurz) To: Subject: [chat] The kooks of sci.physics Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:58:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 320072378593-0001@t-dialin.net X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc This was news to me, since I spend my days reading the de.* hierarchy of newsgroups. And the german physics newsgroup is rather boring. However, it seems the international newsgroups is bothered by a bunch of *pretty* esoteric kooks. Quote taken from "The crackpots of sci.physics" George Hammond thinks that he has found scientific proof of the existence of God. Mr. Hammond is a physics graduate (or so he says), but apparently feels he is qualified as a psychologist as well. http://home.pacifier.com/~dkossy/hammond.html is a pretty good analysis of his theory. Mr. Hammond spent some time in a mental hospital. Donald G. Shead is confused by the difference between mass and weight, and concludes from that the SI system, or even physics itself, is flawed Len Gaasenbeek is one of many morons who believe the theory of relativity is blatantly wrong. At one point he also thought he could make a reactionless drive using a gyroscope, but I managed to show him why he was wrong. The fact that he is 71 years old might explain his crazy ideas. "Habshi" (real/full name unknown) has no knowledge of physics whatsoever, but that doesn't stop him from making the most ridiculous claims: travelling underwater is much more efficient than travelling across the surface, gravity does not exist 400 miles above the earth, a laser can be used to gently push a spaceship to the moon, a telescope on the moon will be able to look at a time before the big bang." End of quote. Going from there, I spend a few hours googling' sci.physics - and what can I tell you, it really *is* fun. Here is a small sample 9.6.2002: Reticher proofs "The Error in Relativistic Physics" see http://www.members.aol.com/reticher/site.htm for a complete debunking of Einstein myths and relativism crap. 9.6.2002: Donald G.Shead thinks that "g is nearly 10" and where to go from that insight. 9.6.2002: George Hammond prooves, that God=G_uv ("God is a curvature in psychometric space"), yet again. 10.6.2002: john P David prooves using Jack Kerouac, Einstein, and Cosmic Grapes that "Planetary Motion: Inertial not Gravitational" where EM radiation is shown as the cause for planetary rotation. 10.6.2002: "thinkit" wants you to think about changing your physics from decimal to hexadecimal, that would be a lot better. 10.6.2002: God has given "James Harris" a short proof of Fermats Last Theorem. (There is a header on sci.maths for posts from this guy, he really *is* hilarious. He has "the worlds fastest formula for prime numbers" in java (1000 numbers in 10 seconds, yippeeee) and uses subjects like "The 'impossible' polynominal - Answer to a prayer" 11.6.2002: "Dr.X" prooves Hawking is wrong 11.6.2002: Evgenij Barsukov: "I am glad to inform you that I finished a new large development - a complete engineering model for self-powered lifter, able to lift it own weight + power supply. Calculations based on my lifter model based on corona-discharge theory give promicing results. " 11.6.2002: "thinkit:": SI must be rewritten in hexadezimal 11.6.2002: "Kuan PENG" has disprooved both electromagnetic theory and Maxwells equations. Now he would like to discuss his motives for doing so. 11.6.2002: "James Harris" recognizes, that math is a lot like quantum physics 11.6.2002: Jevan Pipitone on time travel 11.6.2002: "Dr.X" prooves Hawking is wrong, again 11.6.2002: Donald G. Shead is bothered by the thought that every bodys weight is constantly changing 11.6.2002: "Dr.X" on space ships and so on, ad infinitum, you get the idea. Also two nice links in that direction are http://home.pacifier.com/~dkossy/kooksmus.html the "Kooks Museum" with the "Library of questionable scholarship" and "Stand terrified at the feet of the "Worldwide Computer God Frankenstein Controls" revealed by Francis E. Dec, Esquire, FOR YOUR ONLY HOPE FOR A FUTURE!" http://www.crank.net/ is devoted to presenting Web sites by and about cranks, crankism, crankishness, and crankosity. All cranks, all the time. --- QUOTE --- Gangster Computer God Worldwide Secret Containment policy made possible solely by Worldwide Computer God Frankenstein Controls. Especially lifelong constant threshold brainwash radio. Quiet and motionless, I can slightly hear it. Repeatedly this has saved my life on the streets. Four billion wordwide population, all living, have a Computer God Containment Policy brain bank brain, a real brain in the brain bank cities on the far side of the moon we never see. Primarily, based on your lifelong Frankenstein Radio Controls, especially your Eyesight TV, sight and sound recorded by your brain, your moon brain of the Computer God activates your Frankenstein threshold brainwash radio lifelong, inculcating conformist propaganda, even frightening you and mixing you up and the usual, "Don't worry about it." For your setbacks, mistakes, even when you receive deadly injuries. This is the Worldwide Computer God Secret Containment Policy. Cheers! From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 17 21:03:36 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K0qj-0001Ux-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:33 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K0qB-0001Ur-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:02:59 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:02:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com ([204.127.198.38]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K0q2-0001Ul-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:02:50 +0300 Received: from plutonium.mad.scientist.com ([12.253.59.46]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020617180247.RCDH11426.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@plutonium.mad.scientist.com> for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:02:47 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020617115911.03018ab0@mail.mines.edu> X-Sender: bolmstea@mail.mines.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:02:14 -0600 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi From: Ben Subject: [lang] [bf-alike] Fwd: A little bit of nonsense. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: bem@mad.scientist.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: bem@mad.scientist.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc This showed up in my inbox, along with a 'hello.tb' and a 'tb.exe'. >TB >==== >A colaborative effort by Fred Dupuis, Ian Leroux, and myself, Jesse >McKeown, while trying to escape boredom during a lull at the 2001 IPhO >competition in Turkey. > >The name, TB stands primarily for "Turing, Bitwise," even though the >interesting ops aren't bitwise functions, and it's probably not turing >complete. The fact that TB is also a colloquial shortening of the formal >name of a famous lingering pulmonary disease is by no means co-incidence. > >Inspired by BrainF***, but meant to be less legible, and less useful. > >Each instruction is encoded by a single character. Instructions mostly >operate on an array of bits and a pointer into that array. >' ' decrement bit pointer. >'\n' reset pointed bit. >'\t' increment bit pointer. >'_' negate pointed bit. >'-' jump >Other characters are nops. If the first bit in the array is set, then the >next eight bits are read as an ascii char and printed to the screen, and >the first bit is nulled. Characters typed at the kbd are written as ascii >to the eight bits after first. There is nothing to stop these from being >overwritten before anything is done with them, or to indicate when a byte >has been input. Execution terminates normally at end of program file. > >There's a pre-processor something, but it's not very helpful. This is >mostly what the functions y() and z() in tba.c are about, but you don't >need to know about that. > >The jump is a funny thing. I've never used it. The jump is conditional >on the byte starting at the pointed bit. Half the time it will produce >abnormal program termination with random exit code from one to nine. > >That's all. Enjoy! > >Jesse :) > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 17 21:18:40 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K15J-0001YH-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:18:37 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:18:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K14m-0001YA-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:18:04 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:17:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K14d-0001Y4-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:17:55 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5HIHm220500 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:17:48 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:18:38 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206171118.38974.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Delighted to have your input! On Monday 17 June 2002 02:50 am, Panu A Kalliokoski wrote: > Does the language support variables (or any other kind of binding names= to > values)? If so, does it have nested scopes? I ask this because nested > scopes bring "true flesh" to anonymous functions... I'm hashing that out in the compiler right now, actually. Initially, yes= ,=20 functions could refer to three types of variables: --Global variables, which are available at any point during the program a= nd=20 from any function. --Static variables, which are created when a function is first invoked an= d=20 retain value between invocations. (This is a Java/VB concept of 'static'= I=20 think.) --Local variables, which are created when a function is invoked and destr= oyed=20 on exit. I've eliminated them from the current spec for one reason: performance. = The=20 way the language is going, invoking a function may very well be the most=20 common operation (well, I'm exaggerating a bit), so a lot of overhead in=20 terms of allocating/destroying variable sets might be a performance=20 detrement. However, I'm certainly not ruling it out for the next revisio= n,=20 once I figure out which direction this should move in. Particularly since named variables take a bit of the stack management off= the=20 human's brain, and we're really not terribly good at it compared to=20 compilers. :-) > Does it mean that _every_ data type defines operations of all data type= s? > What does division do on strings? Can one define new types? Many of the built-in functions are capable of dealing with arguments of=20 multiple data types (i.e. are overloaded, in the C++ sense). In most cas= es,=20 this simply involves some up-conversion before the operation, but there a= re=20 special cases, such as lists (of which a string is an example). Division= ,=20 for example, is not defined on strings, and will produce an error, unless= you=20 can suggest an alternative behavior. :-) Types are not currently user-definable. In the same code I've been writi= ng,=20 lists feel flexible enough to provide a lot of what user-defined types do= in=20 other languages, but I'm not sure on that. Currently there are a series = of=20 primitive numeric types defined for performance (int, uint, float, char),= the=20 list type, the function type, and a unique 'error' type produced when an=20 error occurs. > Apparently one cannot push a function along with an argument, except by > forming a new anonymous function, like : 3 {+} ; That's correct -- technically speaking, you cannot push a function with a= =20 defined set of arguments, and must instead rely on the argwalk/argapply=20 functions (which will treat a certain number of values on the stack as=20 arguments to the function, though it's up to the function whether or not=20 they're processed). > -- but what if I want > the argument to be determined by the outer scope: can I write a functio= n > that takes an argument, x, and returns a function that will multiply it= s > argument by x? Yes, such a function can be written, but no, it's not nearly simple enoug= h. =20 That example will require some rethinking. The most obvious way to do it currently is to define such a function at=20 runtime using the :..; sequence, convert it to a list (which breaks the=20 individual calls out), replace one of the values in the list with x, and = then=20 convert it back into a function. However, that's nasty, imho. :-) For my reference, how would you do that in Lisp or Haskell? I'm not near= ly as=20 well versed in either as I should be. [RPN] > Well, some find it more intuitive. It can be translated into RPN anyway= , > so why have humans do the job? (sic) True, and I've been thinking about this. I suppose the real clencher her= e is=20 that I'm very bad at parser design. :-) > Ouch. You apparently mean updatable-state monads, because monads in > general have nothing to do with global variables. That could be. The only definitions of monads I could find were either h= ow=20 the original Greek word relates to the Catholic Church (which sounded a l= ot=20 like a spiritual global variable) or syntax examples in Scheme or Haskell= =2E =20 Neither language's use of monads made their real value apparent to someon= e=20 like me, who isn't great with either. But in short, I'm really not sure=20 -what- sort of monads I'm referring to. > 1) They can be first-class (so a whole environment can be saved, given = as > argument, etc. 2) They can impose additional restrictions on or service= s > for state-changes. 3) State tracking is well-defined for them, and > side-effectless computations can be lowered out of the monad for parall= el, > lazy, etc. computation. 4) They're part of the functional setup around > them, and there is no way you could fuck up order of evaluation with th= em. So how are monads different from singletons in an OO paradigm with proper= =20 thread safety? > I think the parenthese notation is beautiful, particularly as it lets > people specify just how many arguments they want to give to a function = (in > functional languages): I was referring more to parenthesis used in arithmetic to control order o= f=20 evaluation. I like Lisp/Scheme's paren conventions in particular, and th= e=20 language I designed immediately before Voodoo used them heavily. However= , I=20 got to thinking about what it would take to hybridize Forth and Lisp, and= =20 Voodoo was produced. > I think usually the different "words" contain anyway some information o= f > how they are to be treated. In functional-like languages, functions "pu= sh" > themselves and arguments "apply" themselves by the topmost function in = the > stack. In forth-like languages, arguments "push" themselves and functio= ns > take their arguments from the stack. All in all, if one develops a stac= k > machine, it naturally evolves into lambda calculus' direction if one > considers FPN (operations first), and into bytecode's (forth's) directi= on > if one considers RPN. Using that model, a function like +, for example, when invoked, would pla= ce=20 itself onto the stack containing an internal state that additional argume= nts=20 could be applied to? > This was the idea in my once-thought-about language of FPN, where there > were three kinds of "words": functions, arguments and direct stack > manipulators. For example, to use higher order functions, one would use= a > special "take the topmost function from the stack and feed it as an > argument to the function under it" operator. Would feeding, say, numeric arguments to a function also have involved su= ch an=20 operator (albeit a less interesting one)? (I'm trying to collect as much= =20 data as I can on other peoples' designs here. :-) > A little akin to Haskell's sections: 1+3 is 4, (1+) is the function to > increment by one, (+) is the addition function. Yes, another reminder that I really do need to learn Haskell. :-) > Wow! I'm in for using ideological names as foo-words. Then we hit the problem that Fourier was a famous socialist philosopher, = and=20 if you're doing, say, a wavelet transform, including a variable named=20 'fourier' will break peoples' brains. :-) -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 17 21:21:28 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K182-0001ZS-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:21:26 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:21:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K17u-0001ZM-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:21:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:21:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web10006.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.130.42]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K17r-0001ZG-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:21:16 +0300 Message-ID: <20020617182112.23420.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.114.163.133] by web10006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:21:12 BST Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:21:12 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Keith=20Gaughan?= Subject: [chat] Re: The kooks of sci.physics To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: keithgaughan@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: keithgaughan@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc And I thought The Illuminatus! Trilogy was kooky... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 17 21:23:18 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K19q-0001aW-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:23:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:23:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K19h-0001aO-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:23:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:23:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K19f-0001aH-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:23:07 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5HIN3220743 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:23:04 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [chat] Re: The kooks of sci.physics Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:23:54 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206171123.54342.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Monday 17 June 2002 10:58 am, you wrote: > Four billion wordwide population, all living, have a Computer God > Containment Policy brain bank brain, a real brain in the brain bank cit= ies > on the far side of the moon we never see. Primarily, based on your life= long > Frankenstein Radio Controls, especially your Eyesight TV, sight and sou= nd > recorded by your brain, your moon brain of the Computer God activates y= our > Frankenstein threshold brainwash radio lifelong, inculcating conformist > propaganda, even frightening you and mixing you up and the usual, "Don'= t > worry about it." For your setbacks, mistakes, even when you receive dea= dly > injuries. This is the Worldwide Computer God Secret Containment Policy. You can't fool me. I know Beatnik code when I see it. -Cliff From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 17 21:41:57 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K1Ri-0001gB-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:41:46 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:41:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K1RZ-0001g5-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:41:38 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:41:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K1RY-0001fz-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:41:36 +0300 Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17K1RU-0004lB-0L; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:41:32 +0200 Received: from dreizehn (320072378593-0001@[217.0.88.39]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17K1RS-0l30oCC; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:41:30 +0200 From: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de (Gerson Kurz) To: Subject: [chat] AW: Re: The kooks of sci.physics Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:42:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200206171123.54342.cbiffle@safety.net> X-Sender: 320072378593-0001@t-dialin.net X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > You can't fool me. I know Beatnik code when I see it. See http://home.pacifier.com/~dkossy/dec.html (From "the schizophrenic wing" of the Kooks Museum). From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 17 23:28:33 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K36f-0001wB-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:28:09 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:28:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K34t-0001w4-00; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:26:20 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:26:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.16.6.108] (helo=frox25.dhs.org) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K34l-0001vy-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:26:11 +0300 Received: (qmail 82560 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 19:43:58 -0000 Received: from heartw.ih (10.0.17.4) by nova.ih with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 19:43:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:11:44 +0400 From: Mtv Europe X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.49) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <175433249910.20020618001144@frox25.dhs.org> To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge In-reply-To: <7458-Mon03Jun2002110041+0200-benko@lutra.sztaki.hu> References: <7458-Mon03Jun2002110041+0200-benko@lutra.sztaki.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello All! Monday, June 03, 2002, 1:00:41 PM, Pal Benko wrote: >> Overall, impressive code you wrote. Not least because (I think) you >> are the first programmer to write a Malbolge program by hand. Aah, good ol' Malbolge. David Seaman's code is very noteworthy and mostly the only one useful Malbolge program yet. > http://www.antwon.com/index.php?p=234 Antwon's classic "Hello, world." program from this page can be written more shortly in fact. Here is 89 bytes compared to 116 Antwon's (am I opening first Malbolge golf now? :) (=<`#9]~6ZY32Vw/.R,+Op(L,+k#Gh&}Cdz@aw=;zyKw%ut4U qp0/mlejihtfrHcbaC2^W\>Z,XW)UTSL53\HGFjW For unambiguity let's decide to make output exactly like Antwon (i.e. string as stated above without final newline). > ? (Well, I don't really know whether those programs were written by > hand or not.) Perhaps more interesting questions are possibility of nontrivial nonlinear code, and of course the main problem - existence of quine on Malbolge. --- DCBA@?>!<543W7w/S-,Pq)M:,8[)Y!WgU0"b>w|{]LxwvuGV From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 00:02:35 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K3du-00025E-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:02:30 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:02:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K3dM-00024C-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:01:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:01:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K3dD-00022J-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:01:48 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-201-135.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.201.135]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D9E4F217 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:01:41 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D0E2E9E.E9CC66F@dds.nl> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:46:54 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) References: <200206151449.10254.cbiffle@safety.net> <20020615155602.3461cc80.ayzik@shaw.ca> <200206151629.01197.cbiffle@safety.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > > But what about (foo bar (lenin marx mao)) ? In a > > functional language, How would you differentiate between functions and > > their arguments? > > '{mao} {marx} lenin {bar} foo' in Voodoo, assuming they're all functions. > Voodoo lacks Lisp's concept of symbols, currently, though I'm working on it. > Function names can be treated somewhat like symbols, using the curly braces > above (which, like Lisp's ' convention, prevents it from attempting to > execute it, and instead pushes a reference to the function itself). > > This is assuming I've interpreted your statement correctly. You're applying > the function 'lenin' to 'marx' and 'mao', and then applying the function > 'foo' to the symbol 'bar' and to the results of the earlier call to lenin, > yes? Well, in Lisp, this would apply the function named "lenin" to the *contents* of the variables named "marx" and "mao", then apply the function named "foo" to the contents of the variable named "bar" and the result of the call to "lenin". What you're saying would be "(foo 'bar (lenin 'marx 'mao))". But why not eliminate the function call completely, making all references to a function pushes, and add an operator meaning "pop a function off the stack and apply it to the items below"? That way, the above code would become something like "mao marx lenin ! bar foo !". Actually, when I think about it again, that looks a lot like RUL (Reverse Unlambda Notation)... From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 00:09:33 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K3ka-00027M-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:09:24 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K3kR-00027G-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:09:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:09:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout5-0.nyroc.rr.com ([24.92.226.122] helo=mailout5.nyroc.rr.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K3kM-00027A-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:09:11 +0300 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-4.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.202]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/RoadRunner 1.20) with ESMTP id g5HL90f04200 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:08:59 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17K3kC-0000Xm-00 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:09:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:09:00 -0400 From: Rob Speer To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [chat] Re: The kooks of sci.physics Message-ID: <20020617210900.GB1910@twcny.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com Sender: Rob Speer X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 07:58:47PM +0200, Gerson Kurz wrote: > 10.6.2002: "thinkit" wants you to think about changing your physics from > decimal to hexadecimal, that would be a lot better. LOL! I've encountered this guy on another forum, the Lojban language mailing list. He wanted Lojban's "default base" for numbers to be changed from decimal to hexadecimal. (Lojban does have single-syllable words for digits up to 15, so we were unfortunately an easy target for him.) Whenever someone uses the decimal system he either pretends not to understand or he flames them. Occasionally he claims that the hexadecimal system is necessary for human evolution, and the decimal users are going to go extinct. He stopped bothering us a while ago. It's nice to see he's graduated to being a fully-fledged sci.physics kook. -- Rob Speer From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 00:52:01 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K4Ov-0002DX-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:51:05 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:50:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K4Ol-0002DR-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:50:55 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:50:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net ([24.71.223.10] helo=pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K4Od-0002DL-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:50:52 +0300 Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.177]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GXV0021GDW80Y@l-daemon> for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml7so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.151]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GXV0033ODW8J7@l-daemon> for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (h24-78-145-92.vc.shawcable.net [24.78.145.92]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0GXV00KQYDW7IO@l-daemon> for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:54:16 +0000 From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [chat] Re: The kooks of sci.physics In-reply-to: <20020617210900.GB1910@twcny.rr.com> To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Message-id: <20020617145416.727ecff4.ayzik@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20020617210900.GB1910@twcny.rr.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ayzik@shaw.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ayzik@shaw.ca Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:09:00 -0400 Rob Speer wrote: > I've encountered this guy on another forum, the Lojban language mailing > list. He wanted Lojban's "default base" for numbers to be changed from > decimal to hexadecimal. (Lojban does have single-syllable words for > digits up to 15, so we were unfortunately an easy target for him.) > Whenever someone uses the decimal system he either pretends not to > understand or he flames them. > > Occasionally he claims that the hexadecimal system is necessary for > human evolution, and the decimal users are going to go extinct. Hm, I certainly agree with that... __ <(oO)> Cthulhu () ASCII ribbon campaign /||\ Fhtagn! /\ against HTML mail From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 03:19:30 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K6iQ-0002di-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:19:22 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:19:15 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K6hj-0002db-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:18:39 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:18:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: from artemis.ee.teiath.gr ([195.130.107.17]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K6hY-0002dV-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:18:28 +0300 Received: from xpakccp18hkqn8 (ppp7.ee.teiath.gr [195.130.107.60]) by artemis.ee.teiath.gr (8.11.2/8.8.7) with SMTP id g5I10EO08097 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:00:16 +0300 Message-ID: <010301c2165d$29d5c400$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> From: "Al. Andreou" To: References: <200206132346.34515.cbiffle@safety.net> <008b01c2137c$70ca6520$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> <200206151352.15620.cbiffle@safety.net> <045601c214b1$6191fec0$0200a8c0@xpakccp18hkqn8> <200206171446.PAA00509@-f> Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:01:48 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by artemis.ee.teiath.gr id g5I10EO08097 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > _/|_ _______________________________________________________________ > /o ) \/ Mike Taylor www.miketaylor.org.uk > )_v__/\ "Revise and rewrite" -- Strunk & White. I always was a pro-NetBSD person. Can you draw the daemon in 4 lines? Even laying down. __ .=B4 `. Al. Andreou | :' ! http://nemesis.ee.teiath.gr/~ee4299/ `. `=B4 As the venerable Descates once almost said, `- CODITO, ERGO SUM From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 06:38:54 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K9p5-0003GR-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:38:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:38:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K9ox-0003GL-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:38:19 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:38:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout6-0.nyroc.rr.com ([24.92.226.125] helo=mailout6.nyroc.rr.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17K9ou-0003GF-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:38:16 +0300 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-4.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.202]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/RoadRunner 1.20) with ESMTP id g5I3cDD19520 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:38:11 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17K9or-0000tK-00 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:38:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:38:13 -0400 From: Rob Speer To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [chat] Re: The kooks of sci.physics Message-ID: <20020618033813.GC3073@twcny.rr.com> References: <20020617210900.GB1910@twcny.rr.com> <20020617145416.727ecff4.ayzik@shaw.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020617145416.727ecff4.ayzik@shaw.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com Sender: Rob Speer X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:54:16PM +0000, Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote: > > Occasionally he claims that the hexadecimal system is necessary for > > human evolution, and the decimal users are going to go extinct. > > Hm, I certainly agree with that... Are you serious? Power-of-two bases are entirely unsuitable for the things people do with numbers. In the cases where it matters at all, the more useful bases are ones with more different factors. The Babylonians had it right in using base 60 (though 12 is pretty good too, and requires quite a lot less symbols). Not that any of the advantages are enough to really justify switching from base 10. Power-of-two bases are nothing but a more compact representation of binary. That's great for computers, and indeed hexadecimal and octal are already used there. But where do you encounter strings of binary states outside of a computer? -- Rob Speer From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 08:22:33 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KBRD-0003UX-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:21:55 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:21:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KBR4-0003UR-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:21:46 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:21:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net ([24.71.223.10] helo=pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KBQx-0003UJ-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:21:39 +0300 Received: from pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.179]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GXV00HIMYLV9C@l-daemon> for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GXV00776YLWAZ@l-daemon> for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (h24-78-145-92.vc.shawcable.net [24.78.145.92]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0GXV0035VYLVVL@l-daemon> for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:21:43 +0000 From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [chat] Re: The kooks of sci.physics In-reply-to: <20020618033813.GC3073@twcny.rr.com> To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Message-id: <20020617222143.67adaeb9.ayzik@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20020617210900.GB1910@twcny.rr.com> <20020617145416.727ecff4.ayzik@shaw.ca> <20020618033813.GC3073@twcny.rr.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ayzik@shaw.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ayzik@shaw.ca Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:38:13 -0400 Rob Speer wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:54:16PM +0000, Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote: > > > Occasionally he claims that the hexadecimal system is necessary for > > > human evolution, and the decimal users are going to go extinct. > > > > Hm, I certainly agree with that... > > Are you serious? Power-of-two bases are entirely unsuitable for the > things people do with numbers. In the cases where it matters at all, the > more useful bases are ones with more different factors. The Babylonians > had it right in using base 60 (though 12 is pretty good too, and > requires quite a lot less symbols). Not that any of the advantages are > enough to really justify switching from base 10. Sure, there's nothing especially useful about the powers of two, but they just appeal to my sense of aesthetics. And 10, on the other hand, is just about as ugly as it gets. The number 10 is so... mediocre... I agree that 12 would be pretty cool - it's nice to divide stuff into, and there's a cool way to count to 12 with one hand (pointing with the thumb to the phalanges of the other fingers). 16 is also very cool, although i don't approve of mixing digits and letters - better to use letters exclusively or create a whole new set of signs. Oh well. People are such materialists... By the way, there's a very cool artificial human language called Toki Pona - http://www.tokipona.org/ , which strives to be as minimal as possible, having only 120 most essential words. The numbering system in that language is just great: 1 : wan 2 : tu 3+: mute And a word "luka", that means "hand" but can also mean five, if you really need such a big number. So to say "123", for example, you would go "luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka tu wan!" __ <(oO)> Cthulhu () ASCII ribbon campaign \ \/ \/\/\ \/ \/\/ /||\ Fhtagn! /\ against HTML mail /\/\./\/\/\/\./\/\ From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 08:47:07 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KBpJ-0003Zw-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:46:49 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:46:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KBpA-0003Zq-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:46:40 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:46:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout6-1.nyroc.rr.com ([24.92.226.177] helo=mailout6.nyroc.rr.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KBp8-0003Zk-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:46:38 +0300 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-4.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.202]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/RoadRunner 1.20) with ESMTP id g5I5kZD13155 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:46:34 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17KBp5-0000vv-00 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:46:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:46:35 -0400 From: Rob Speer To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [chat] Re: The kooks of sci.physics Message-ID: <20020618054635.GA3573@twcny.rr.com> References: <20020617210900.GB1910@twcny.rr.com> <20020617145416.727ecff4.ayzik@shaw.ca> <20020618033813.GC3073@twcny.rr.com> <20020617222143.67adaeb9.ayzik@shaw.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020617222143.67adaeb9.ayzik@shaw.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com Sender: Rob Speer X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 10:21:43PM +0000, Nikita Ayzikovsky wrote: > By the way, there's a very cool artificial human language called Toki Pona - > http://www.tokipona.org/ , which strives to be as minimal as possible, having > only 120 most essential words. The numbering system in that language is just great: > > 1 : wan > 2 : tu > 3+: mute > > And a word "luka", that means "hand" but can also mean five, if you really need such > a big number. So to say "123", for example, you would go "luka luka luka luka luka > luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka luka > luka luka tu wan!" Heh! I've encountered Toki Pona before. Its extreme minimalism made me wonder why anyone would want to use it, but I suppose that in that regard it's like BrainFuck. This also greatly reminds me of "troll counting" from Discworld. The trolls count "one, two, three, many". Highly intelligent trolls go on in base 4 with "many one, many two, many three, many many..." until at 16 they reach "lots". -- Rob Speer From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 09:35:02 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KCZg-0003nY-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:34:44 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:34:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KCZ4-0003nL-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:34:06 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:33:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web14007.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.123]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KCYv-0003nF-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:33:57 +0300 Message-ID: <20020618063351.93577.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.100.133.65] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:33:51 BST Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:33:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephen=20Sykes?= Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <175433249910.20020618001144@frox25.dhs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > Antwon's classic "Hello, world." program from this page can be written > more shortly in fact. Here is 89 bytes compared to 116 Antwon's > (am I opening first Malbolge golf now? :) > > (=<`#9]~6ZY32Vw/.R,+Op(L,+k#Gh&}Cdz@aw=;zyKw%ut4U > qp0/mlejihtfrHcbaC2^W\>Z,XW)UTSL53\HGFjW > Have you seen this one? http://www2.latech.edu/~acm/helloworld/malbolge.html The comment suggests that the two versions given are different, but as far as I can see they are the same, and they don't work (they seem to wait for you to type hello, world instead of printing it). Anyhow, this appears to be the second longest hello world in existence - there was an even longer effort posted in this list last year. (see http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/2001-q4 ) > --- > DCBA@?>!<543W7w/S-,Pq)M:,8[)Y!WgU0"b>w|{]LxwvuGV > Hmm, a malbolge signature. Nice. Stephen +- S.D.Sykes - www.stephensykes.com - +358 50 577 3879 - | "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious | way to do it. | Although that way may not be obvious at first unless | you're Dutch." -- Tim Peters __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 09:52:26 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KCql-0003qw-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:52:24 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:52:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KCqR-0003qo-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:52:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:51:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KCqH-0003qh-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:51:53 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5I6po220583 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:51:50 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:52:41 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206151629.01197.cbiffle@safety.net> <3D0E2E9E.E9CC66F@dds.nl> In-Reply-To: <3D0E2E9E.E9CC66F@dds.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206172352.41571.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Monday 17 June 2002 11:46 am, you wrote: > Well, in Lisp, this would apply the function named "lenin" to the > *contents* of the variables named "marx" and "mao", then apply the func= tion > named "foo" to the contents of the variable named "bar" and the result = of > the call to "lenin". What you're saying would be "(foo 'bar (lenin 'ma= rx > 'mao))". Ah, right. I've gone back to my old Lisp textbook for a refresher. > But why not eliminate the function call completely, making all referenc= es > to a function pushes, and add an operator meaning "pop a function off t= he > stack and apply it to the items below"? That way, the above code would > become something like "mao marx lenin ! bar foo !". Actually, when I t= hink > about it again, that looks a lot like RUL (Reverse Unlambda Notation)..= =2E I like it, and have considered it. How, though, would it know how much d= ata=20 to feed into the function? That's the main problem I ran into. The stac= k=20 doesn't necessarily 'stop' right under the arguments. (Though something = like=20 stack frames could be used to limit scope.) Thoughts? I'm reworking Voodoo with more of a Lisp influence and less of a Forth on= e at=20 the moment, so suggestions along these lines are much appreciated. -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 09:56:16 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KCtA-0003sd-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:54:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:54:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KCt1-0003sO-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:54:43 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:54:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns2.sztaki.hu ([193.225.86.1] helo=lutra.sztaki.hu) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KCst-0003sH-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:54:35 +0300 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sztaki.hu by sztaki.hu (PMDF V6.1-1 #30524) id <0GXW0040136T49@sztaki.hu> for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:54:29 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sztaki.hu by sztaki.hu (PMDF V6.1-1 #30524) id <0GXW0040136T48@sztaki.hu> for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:54:29 +0200 (MEST) Resent-date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:54:29 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:54:29 +0200 From: Pal Benko Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge In-reply-to: <175433249910.20020618001144@frox25.dhs.org> Sender: benko@sztaki.hu To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Message-id: <3405-Tue18Jun2002085429+0200-benko@lutra.sztaki.hu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: emacs 20.6.1 (via feedmail 8 I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: benko@sztaki.hu Resent-Bcc: X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: benko@sztaki.hu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: benko@sztaki.hu Precedence: bulk X-list: misc From benko Tue Jun 18 08: 54 MES 2002 References: <7458-Mon03Jun2002110041+0200-benko@lutra.sztaki.hu> <175433249910.20020618001144@frox25.dhs.org> In the meantime I found out that the Antwon programs are written by a program. He also has a Gettysburg Address somewhere. Pal Benko From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 10:33:50 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KDTG-00045F-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:32:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:32:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KDSs-00044W-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:31:46 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:31:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KDSj-00044Q-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:31:37 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5I7VXj22374 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:31:33 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5I7VUm13963 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:31:30 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:31:30 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [bf-alike] Fwd: A little bit of nonsense. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020617115911.03018ab0@mail.mines.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Ben wrote: > This showed up in my inbox, along with a 'hello.tb' and a 'tb.exe'. > >The jump is a funny thing. I've never used it. The jump is conditional > >on the byte starting at the pointed bit. Half the time it will produce > >abnormal program termination with random exit code from one to nine. Hmmm... doesn't sound it is quite Turing-complete - though I'm curious what the jump will do the _other_ half of the time. Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 11:32:09 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KENp-0004O2-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:30:37 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:30:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KENQ-0004Nw-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:30:12 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:30:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com ([204.127.202.62]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KENH-0004Nd-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:30:03 +0300 Received: from plutonium.mad.scientist.com ([12.253.59.46]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020618082941.GUYF1547.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@plutonium.mad.scientist.com> for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:29:41 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618022522.02fd1f38@mail.mines.edu> X-Sender: bolmstea@mail.mines.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:29:11 -0600 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi From: Ben Subject: [lang] Re: [bf-alike] Fwd: A little bit of nonsense. In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020617115911.03018ab0@mail.mines.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: bem@mad.scientist.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: bem@mad.scientist.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc At 10:31 2002/06/18 +0300, Panu A Kalliokoski wrote: >On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Ben wrote: > > This showed up in my inbox, along with a 'hello.tb' and a 'tb.exe'. > > >The jump is a funny thing. I've never used it. The jump is conditional > > >on the byte starting at the pointed bit. Half the time it will produce > > >abnormal program termination with random exit code from one to nine. > >Hmmm... doesn't sound it is quite Turing-complete - though I'm curious >what the jump will do the _other_ half of the time. It looks like I managed to lose the originator's email in that forward: "jesse mckeown" I will send hello.tb and tb.exe to those who want them; my ISP's virus scanner marked it as clean, but I don't really like to execute binaries emailed to me from strange sources. Ben From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 11:43:39 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KEZ2-0004Tb-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:12 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KEYt-0004TU-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KEYr-0004TO-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:01 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5I8g0j09457 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:42:00 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5I8fvr19511 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:41:57 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:41:57 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [chat] Re: The kooks of sci.physics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Gerson Kurz wrote: > Quote taken from "The crackpots of sci.physics" > > Len Gaasenbeek is one of many morons who believe the theory of relativity is > blatantly wrong. At one point he also thought he could make a reactionless > drive using a gyroscope, but I managed to show him why he was wrong. The > fact that he is 71 years old might explain his crazy ideas. The sad thing is, the more there are stupid people critical of scientific theories, the more certain proponents of science become that the theories are absolutely correct (even though these two should have nothing to do with each other). From what I've noticed, science divides people into four "social tiers": 1) Those that know little or nothing about the actual theories, but have great respect for scientific work (the mass) 2) Those that know little about the theories, but have noticed not everything is right, and conclude that science as a phenomenon should be banned (the critics, or "researchers of hidden knowledge") 3) Those that know enough about the theories to see their excellence as intellectual achievements, lack abilities to check the details, and who all too easily forget that the theories are not infallible (the members of what I call "science religion") 4) The scientists who actually develop the theories, and who are well aware of their shortcomings. Because most of the people in ng's nowadays consist of group (3), and because most of the members of group (3) lack the ability to distinguish between group (2) and group (4), little light can emerge from the discussions in ng's. Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 13:51:54 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KGZ0-00054V-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:50:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:50:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KGYA-000543-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:26 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KGY1-00053x-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:17 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5IAnBj12811 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:11 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5IAn7E28509 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:07 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:49:07 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo In-Reply-To: <200206171118.38974.cbiffle@safety.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > I'm hashing that out in the compiler right now, actually. Initially, yes, > functions could refer to three types of variables: [...] > I've eliminated them from the current spec for one reason: performance. The Yes. Though obviously variable frames have to be somehow implementable efficiently, as witness various functional language implementations. (I guess they analyse the code of anonymous functions / code blocks for references to outside variables, and pass them in a closure as a hidden parameter. But this would require more detailed discussion.) > special cases, such as lists (of which a string is an example). Division, > for example, is not defined on strings, and will produce an error, unless you > can suggest an alternative behavior. :-) "abracadabra" / "ab" -> "racadra" > Types are not currently user-definable. In the same code I've been writing, > lists feel flexible enough to provide a lot of what user-defined types do in > other languages, but I'm not sure on that. Currently there are a series of The reason I asked the question was, if all types support all possible operations, in order to add new types, you should have a way to define their operations. This would give a beautiful OO approach, but might be way too elaborate for a language like this. > That's correct -- technically speaking, you cannot push a function with a > defined set of arguments, and must instead rely on the argwalk/argapply Yeah. Of course, if anonymous functions are _the_ form of iteration, the need for easy building of runtime-determined anonymous functions _will_ arise. > > -- but what if I want > > the argument to be determined by the outer scope: can I write a function > > that takes an argument, x, and returns a function that will multiply its > > argument by x? > Yes, such a function can be written, but no, it's not nearly simple enough. > That example will require some rethinking. > The most obvious way to do it currently is to define such a function at > runtime using the :..; sequence, convert it to a list (which breaks the > individual calls out), replace one of the values in the list with x, and then > convert it back into a function. However, that's nasty, imho. :-) Ah, of course. Yes. Well, it's a very consumptive operation for something that could in theory be done at compile time. > For my reference, how would you do that in Lisp or Haskell? I'm not nearly as > well versed in either as I should be. Well, it's ridiculously easy, because of nested scopes. Let's see it in Ocaml, because it has a relatively easily-readable syntax: let multiply_by x = function y -> x * y (This is not the only way to write the definition, but it best reflects the usage: we give multiply_by 17 and get a function that will return its argument (y) multiplied by 17.) See how the function is easily "constructed" at runtime by allowing the use of x (outer function's binding) in the inner function. The value of x is retained within the constructed function even though the outer function returns. I should add that in Haskell and Ocaml, this is the "normal" way to construct functions: instead of using functions with tuples as arguments, we use functions that return functions that take the rest of the arguments. This is called currying. What it means in practice is that we can always "partially apply" a function (give it any prefix part of its arguments), and the result is a function willing to take the rest of the original function's arguments. Curried functions are called like in: LISP: (((myfn 1) 2) 3) Ocaml: myfn 1 2 3 Non-curried functions are called like in: LISP: (myfn 1 2 3) Ocaml: myfn [1;2;3] [or] myfn (1,2,3) Other ways to write the example Ocaml code snippet above: let multiply_by = function x -> function y -> x * y let multiply_by = fun x y -> x * y let multiply_by x y = x * y let multiply_by = ( * ) To write it in LISP: (defun multiply_by (x) (lambda (y) (* x y))) [monads] > like a spiritual global variable) or syntax examples in Scheme or Haskell. > Neither language's use of monads made their real value apparent to someone > like me, who isn't great with either. But in short, I'm really not sure > -what- sort of monads I'm referring to. Yeah. Monads are a mathematical construct, and a programming technique comparable to OOP in its generality and range of use - so it's hard to refer to monads in general, because they are too broad a concept. > > 1) They can be first-class (so a whole environment can be saved, given as > > argument, etc. 2) They can impose additional restrictions on or services > > for state-changes. 3) State tracking is well-defined for them, and > > side-effectless computations can be lowered out of the monad for parallel, > > lazy, etc. computation. 4) They're part of the functional setup around > > them, and there is no way you could fuck up order of evaluation with them. > So how are monads different from singletons in an OO paradigm with proper > thread safety? Again, you are apparently speaking of updatable-state monads. Well, the two techniques (singletons, or rather any state-keeping objects, and updatable-state monads) are meant at least partially for the same goals, so they are similar in that respect. However, if you are really to write a snippet of code work in any environment, you have to pass the singleton (or object) to it as an argument. This is exactly the kind of unneeded work and lack of abstraction which monadic programming style allows one to abstract away. So I'd say the two techniques are similar WRT points (1) and (2) above, differ WRT points (3) and (4) above, and have the additional difference which I didn't come up with previously (because of lack of object of comparison) that updatable-state monads abstract away parameter passing. Of the two techniques, monads are IMO a little bit simpler (though that might be my prejudice) (and not that either is really complicated at all), and allow for much cleaner client code. > > take their arguments from the stack. All in all, if one develops a stack > > machine, it naturally evolves into lambda calculus' direction if one > > considers FPN (operations first), and into bytecode's (forth's) direction > > if one considers RPN. > Using that model, a function like +, for example, when invoked, would place > itself onto the stack containing an internal state that additional arguments > could be applied to? FPN? Yes. The functions in the stack would contain as much of their arguments as they've already been applied to, and when they get enough arguments, they get evaluated and apply the result to the function under. > Would feeding, say, numeric arguments to a function also have involved such an > operator (albeit a less interesting one)? (I'm trying to collect as much > data as I can on other peoples' designs here. :-) Nope, data should know their way around, i.e. apply themselves without being explicitly asked to do so. This is similar to operations in RPN executing without being asked. Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 20:42:21 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KMxR-0006bC-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:39:57 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:39:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KMuq-0006b3-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:37:16 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:37:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KMug-0006ax-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:37:07 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5IHb3215749 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:37:03 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:38:01 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206181038.01706.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:49 am, you wrote: > Yes. Though obviously variable frames have to be somehow implementable > efficiently, as witness various functional language implementations. (I > guess they analyse the code of anonymous functions / code blocks for > references to outside variables, and pass them in a closure as a hidden > parameter. But this would require more detailed discussion.) I'll be hitting the university science library later to see what sort of=20 materials I can collect. > "abracadabra" / "ab" -> "racadra" Not "abracadabra" / "ab" -> 2? > The reason I asked the question was, if all types support all possible > operations, in order to add new types, you should have a way to define > their operations. This would give a beautiful OO approach, but might be > way too elaborate for a language like this. *nod* Not all types support all possible operations, at the moment. For exampl= e,=20 concatenating two integers doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Have you played much with Ruby? It takes an approach similar to the one = you=20 describe. > Yeah. Of course, if anonymous functions are _the_ form of iteration, th= e > need for easy building of runtime-determined anonymous functions _will_ > arise. Yes, exactly that problem has sent me rethinking the language. I liked t= he=20 theory behind using anonymous functions for all forms of iteration (I=20 considered using them as the blocks of the if/else/then statement as well= ). =20 However, at the moment it's a little weak for that. > Ah, of course. Yes. Well, it's a very consumptive operation for somethi= ng > that could in theory be done at compile time. Perhaps. One of my past projects was a symbolic algebra system (similar to what Li= sp=20 was originally designed for, believe it or not), which would, of course,=20 require the ability to partially evaluate functions like Ocaml. =20 Incidentally, I like the way Ocaml handles that, from your example. > I should add that in Haskell and Ocaml, this is the "normal" way to > construct functions: instead of using functions with tuples as argument= s, > we use functions that return functions that take the rest of the > arguments. This is called currying. What it means in practice is that w= e > can always "partially apply" a function (give it any prefix part of its > arguments), and the result is a function willing to take the rest of th= e > original function's arguments. This is a very interesting concept that I will have to meditate upon. Vo= odoo=20 is likely to have just changed significantly. > (defun multiply_by (x) (lambda (y) (* x y))) Wow, it's been a long time since I've done Lisp. Am I right in rememberi= ng=20 'lambda' as roughly equivalent to what I've been calling the anonymous=20 function? i.e. defines a function but doesn't give it a=20 globally-recognizable name? > Yeah. Monads are a mathematical construct, and a programming technique > comparable to OOP in its generality and range of use - so it's hard to > refer to monads in general, because they are too broad a concept. I'm coming to realize that. :-) I'm going to see if I can't find a book. > > Using that model, a function like +, for example, when invoked, would > > place itself onto the stack containing an internal state that additio= nal > > arguments could be applied to? > FPN? Yes. The functions in the stack would contain as much of their > arguments as they've already been applied to, and when they get enough > arguments, they get evaluated and apply the result to the function unde= r. This makes more sense now that I'm familiar with curried functions. > Nope, data should know their way around, i.e. apply themselves without > being explicitly asked to do so. This is similar to operations in RPN > executing without being asked. Ah, okay, so the feed-function-as-argument operator would only be necessa= ry to=20 prevent that function from executing -itself- rather than being passed. -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 21:47:52 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KNzZ-0006sn-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:46:13 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:46:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KNzB-0006sY-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:45:49 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:45:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.16.6.108] (helo=frox25.dhs.org) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KNz2-0006sR-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:45:40 +0300 Received: (qmail 96849 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 18:03:07 -0000 Received: from heartw.ih (10.0.17.4) by nova.ih with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 18:03:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:31:11 +0400 From: Mtv Europe X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.49) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <39513628913.20020618223111@frox25.dhs.org> To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge In-reply-To: <20020618063351.93577.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020618063351.93577.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello World! Tuesday, June 18, 2002, 10:33:51 AM, Stephen Sykes wrote: > http://www2.latech.edu/~acm/helloworld/malbolge.html > The comment suggests that the two versions given are different, but as far > as I can see they are the same, and they don't work (they seem to wait for > you to type hello, world instead of printing it). They both hangs on / operator for me too. > Anyhow, this appears to be the second longest hello world in existence - > there was an even longer effort posted in this list last year. (see > http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/2001-q4 ) Yes, "HW" by Keith Amling (KiwiCado23 at aol.com, mail date 2 Sep 2001) is interesting, but as a matter of fact all of them are based on the same boring principle. Tuesday, June 18, 2002, 10:54:29 AM, Pal Benko wrote: > In the meantime I found out that the Antwon programs are written by a > program. He also has a Gettysburg Address somewhere. There are pretty subtle kinds of programs: those which are written by a program and those which are written by a program which is written by a program ;) Of course first i tried do { program = random_code(); } while (evaluate (program) != "Hello, world"); on my quantum computer, but then i've did more universal: if (time_fork (&save_game, &information)) { sleep (1 * DAY); scan_mailbox ("malbolge", &information); time_jmp (save_game, information); } else { print (information); } ---- Mtv Europe, with hope that his bad jokes will suggest an idea of new interesting language to somebody From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 18 22:40:46 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KOoq-0007Hu-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:39:12 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:39:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KOoi-0007Ho-00; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:39:04 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list chat); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:39:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net ([24.71.223.10] helo=pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KOob-0007Hi-00 for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:39:02 +0300 Received: from pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr2so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.178]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GXX005QI2HBHB@l-daemon> for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml1so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.145]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GXX0022R2HBL3@l-daemon> for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (h24-78-145-92.vc.shawcable.net [24.78.145.92]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0GXX00JDX2HBLP@l-daemon> for chat@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:43:03 +0000 From: Nikita Ayzikovsky Subject: [chat] Re: The kooks of sci.physics In-reply-to: <20020618054635.GA3573@twcny.rr.com> To: chat@esoteric.sange.fi Message-id: <20020618124303.7b4cd3ab.ayzik@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20020617210900.GB1910@twcny.rr.com> <20020617145416.727ecff4.ayzik@shaw.ca> <20020618033813.GC3073@twcny.rr.com> <20020617222143.67adaeb9.ayzik@shaw.ca> <20020618054635.GA3573@twcny.rr.com> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: chat-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ayzik@shaw.ca Precedence: bulk Reply-to: chat@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: chat X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ayzik@shaw.ca Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:46:35 -0400 Rob Speer wrote: > Heh! I've encountered Toki Pona before. Its extreme minimalism made me > wonder why anyone would want to use it, but I suppose that in that > regard it's like BrainFuck. It is a very cool language. To say something a bit more complicated than "I have food" or "I want to sleep", you have to get to the essence of what you want to say. If you don't really know what you're saying, you won't be able to translate it, either. And of course, being able to achive fluency in a month or so is also fun :) P.S By the way, if anyone is interested in Toki Pona, go to #tokipona on EFNet, since the lessons on the language website are insufficient and a bit outdated. P.P.S Also by the way, did #nprs die before it was even born? Or did I just type the channel name wrong? __ <(oO)> Cthulhu () ASCII ribbon campaign \ \/ \/\/\ \/ \/\/ /||\ Fhtagn! /\ against HTML mail /\/\./\/\/\/\./\/\ From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 00:04:44 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KQ8B-0007XC-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:03:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:03:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KQ7z-0007Ww-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:03:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:02:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KQ7r-0007Wq-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:02:55 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-230-36.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.230.36]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF99D3BF1F for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:02:45 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D0FAAC2.86E70664@dds.nl> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:48:50 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) References: <200206151629.01197.cbiffle@safety.net> <3D0E2E9E.E9CC66F@dds.nl> <200206172352.41571.cbiffle@safety.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > > But why not eliminate the function call completely, making all references > > to a function pushes, and add an operator meaning "pop a function off the > > stack and apply it to the items below"? That way, the above code would > > become something like "mao marx lenin ! bar foo !". Actually, when I think > > about it again, that looks a lot like RUL (Reverse Unlambda Notation)... > > I like it, and have considered it. How, though, would it know how much data > to feed into the function? That's the main problem I ran into. The stack > doesn't necessarily 'stop' right under the arguments. (Though something like > stack frames could be used to limit scope.) Thoughts? How do you know how much data to feed into the function using your way? I don't see the problem, just do it the same way. Alternatively, pass the function the whole stack. It will only pop off what it needs and ignore the rest. Of course, this allows functions to peek too far, making bugs easier to make and harder to track, but considering you're duscussing this on an esoteric language list, you've got to make something esoteric about the language... From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 00:04:45 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KQ8B-0007XB-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:03:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:03:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KQ7m-0007Wg-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:02:50 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:02:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KQ7e-0007Wa-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:02:42 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-230-36.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.230.36]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AD33BF9E for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:02:35 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D0FA74C.F45BCBF3@dds.nl> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:34:04 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge References: <20020618063351.93577.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> <39513628913.20020618223111@frox25.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Mtv Europe wrote: > if (time_fork (&save_game, &information)) { > sleep (1 * DAY); > scan_mailbox ("malbolge", &information); > time_jmp (save_game, information); > } else { > print (information); > } You're assuming that somebody will send in a solution tomorrow. Shouldn't you use some sort of looping? Also, this would create a paradox: somebody in the future writes a "Hello, world!" program, then you warp it back in time and post it first, but then it will already have been posted and there will be no need for anyone to reinvent it, thus there will never be a "Hello, world!" program, therefore your time travel program will fail, therefore you will not post the solution, therefore somebody in the future will, therefore, your time travel program will succeed, ad nauseum. > Mtv Europe, with hope that his bad jokes will suggest an idea of new > interesting language to somebody Would it produce anything meaningful if a programming language had some sort of time travel (simulated, of course, by recalculating the past each time(!) that time travel is invoked), where functions could be executed before their input is known? From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 00:04:45 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KQ8B-0007XA-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:03:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:03:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KQ7p-0007Wn-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:02:53 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:02:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KQ7h-0007Wh-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:02:45 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-230-36.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.230.36]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA5E4EEBB for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:02:41 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D0FA9B8.504D7EB5@dds.nl> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:44:24 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo References: <200206181038.01706.cbiffle@safety.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > On Tuesday 18 June 2002 03:49 am, you wrote: > > Yes. Though obviously variable frames have to be somehow implementable > > efficiently, as witness various functional language implementations. (I > > guess they analyse the code of anonymous functions / code blocks for > > references to outside variables, and pass them in a closure as a hidden > > parameter. But this would require more detailed discussion.) > > I'll be hitting the university science library later to see what sort of > materials I can collect. > > > "abracadabra" / "ab" -> "racadra" > > Not "abracadabra" / "ab" -> 2? That's a good one. Panu's operator is also nice, but should be renamed "-". Also, "+" is concatenation, and "*" is repetition, so "ba"+"na"*2 would produce "banana". "%" (modulo) could be truncation, and bit shifts don't really fit in a functional language but if they're there, "abracadabra"<<3 is "acadabra" and "abracadabra">>3 is " acadabra" (s>>n=n*" "+s). The bitwise negation "~" could be string reversal (~"abracadabra"="arbadacarba"). Et cetera. In case you haven't noticed yet, I wrote a string class to excercise my C++, and being new to the language back then, I wanted to experiment with operator overloading... > > The reason I asked the question was, if all types support all possible > > operations, in order to add new types, you should have a way to define > > their operations. This would give a beautiful OO approach, but might be > > way too elaborate for a language like this. > > *nod* > Not all types support all possible operations, at the moment. For example, > concatenating two integers doesn't make a lot of sense to me. According to my idea above, string concatenation would receive the same operator as the integer addition, meaning that a seperate concatenation is unneeded. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 02:06:48 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KS2H-0007uI-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 02:05:17 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 02:05:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KS1m-0007u9-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 02:04:46 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 02:04:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.121]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KS1d-0007u3-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 02:04:37 +0300 Message-ID: <20020618230435.3124.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.248.144.20] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:04:35 BST Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:04:35 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephen=20Sykes?= Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <3D0FA74C.F45BCBF3@dds.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > Would it produce anything meaningful if a programming language had some > sort of time > travel (simulated, of course, by recalculating the past each time(!) > that time > travel is invoked), where functions could be executed before their input > is known? Ah, maybe this is the time to mention the yet to be announced shoulda/whatif language that Mike Taylor and I have talked about. The basic idea is that you can at some later point in a program say "Darn, I meant to say LET A=28 at line 14", and the language will unwind everything that was done after line 14, and redo everything with the new value 28 for A. Input and output are interesting. You need to have some scheme where I/O can be undone. I solved it for simple text IO by asking the user to forget each bit of output, and have the interpreter tell you when it is forgetting input. Here is a very simple example program where I base new past values on the current value of that variable. Also, the language in this example only allows you to retrospectively change values of constants. > const $a = 1 > print "given a=$a, tell me b:" > input $b > if ($a<4) darn, $a should have been $a+1 > print "okay, b is $b\n" > darn, $a should have been 50 The interactive session looks like this, where a # precedes anything the interpreter wants to tell you: given a=1, tell me b:59 #forgetting b=59 #forget "given a=1, tell me b:" given a=2, tell me b:70 #forgetting b=70 #forget "given a=2, tell me b:" given a=3, tell me b:-4 #forgetting b=-4 #forget "given a=3, tell me b:" given a=4, tell me b:101 okay, b is 101 #forget "okay, b is 101" #forgetting b=101 #forget "given a=4, tell me b:" given a=50, tell me b:999 okay, b is 999 Well, I hope you get the idea. I wonder if there is any mileage in this type of thing? Stephen +- S.D.Sykes - www.stephensykes.com - +358 50 577 3879 - | "You do not want a sophisticated story, you want to | have fun, be surprised, find the code to open the door | and kill everything" -- Emmanuel Forsans __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 11:22:37 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kai9-0009e1-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:21:05 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:20:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KahV-0009dk-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:20:25 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:20:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KahM-0009cv-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:20:17 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:16:10 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:15:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c21769$72109710$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D0FA9B8.504D7EB5@dds.nl> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > *nod* > Not all types support all possible operations, at the moment. For example, > concatenating two integers doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That is unless you represent an integer as an array of bit, like c strings, so you could do something like: conc([0,1,0,1], [0,1,0,0], b); in which b would have a length of 8 bits (2 bytes) and a representation of 0x54. or: conc(0xb, [1], b); where b would end up as [1,0,1,1,1] This alone would make cryptography an awful lot easier and so much more fun... David. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 13:50:59 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kczf-000AOP-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:47:19 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:47:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kcwa-000ANd-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:44:09 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:44:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KcwR-000ANW-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:43:59 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5JAhp226715 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:43:51 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:44:50 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206181038.01706.cbiffle@safety.net> <3D0FA9B8.504D7EB5@dds.nl> In-Reply-To: <3D0FA9B8.504D7EB5@dds.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206190344.50674.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:44 pm, you wrote: > "-". Also, "+" is concatenation, and "*" is repetition, so "ba"+"na"*2 > would produce "banana". "%" (modulo) could be truncation, and bit shif= ts > don't really fit in a functional language but if they're there, > "abracadabra"<<3 is "acadabra" and "abracadabra">>3 is " acadabra" > (s>>n=3Dn*" "+s). The bitwise negation "~" could be string reversal > (~"abracadabra"=3D"arbadacarba"). Et cetera. I'd feel better if reversal was done by a raise-to-power-of-negative-one = sort=20 of operator; bitwise negation feels like ~"bob"=3D"BOB" to me. :-) I'd say add in a bit-rotate instruction (which I usually include in my=20 languages anyway, since the underlying machine almost always has it). Ca= ll=20 it <<< and >>>. Thus, "palindrome" <<< 3 -> "indromepal". And part of me is tempted to suggest that modulo produce every character = of=20 the string -not- matched by the equivalent divison (a remainder of sorts)= ,=20 but I'm not sure. That would mean "abracadabra" % "ab" -> "racadra". So is this a string calculus we're developing, then? :-) What would one = do=20 with, say, exponentiation? :-) > According to my idea above, string concatenation would receive the same > operator as the integer addition, meaning that a seperate concatenation= is > unneeded. Alternatively: (I'm using . as the concatentation operator here.) "abc" + "bcd" =3D "ceg" "abc" . "bcd" =3D "abcbcd" 12 + 47 =3D 59 12 . 47 =3D 1247 (if you're doing BCD; concatenate the bit patterns other= wise) -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 13:51:38 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kd1A-000AP0-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:48:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:48:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KczH-000AOH-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:46:55 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:46:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kcz8-000AOB-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:46:46 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5JAki226867 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:46:44 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:47:43 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206172352.41571.cbiffle@safety.net> <3D0FAAC2.86E70664@dds.nl> In-Reply-To: <3D0FAAC2.86E70664@dds.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206190347.43835.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tuesday 18 June 2002 02:48 pm, you wrote: > How do you know how much data to feed into the function using your way? Each function takes a defined number and pattern of arguments. By contra= st,=20 one of the things I liked about Lisp is that most post-1970 variants woul= d=20 happily accept three, four, or fifty-two arguments to, for example, the=20 addition function; were this convention followed, a function could swallo= w=20 the whole stack. Which brings us to... > Alternatively, pass the function the whole stack. It will only pop off > what it needs and ignore the rest. Of course, this allows functions to > peek too far, making bugs easier to make and harder to track, but > considering you're duscussing this on an esoteric language list, you've= got > to make something esoteric about the language... *grin* True, true. I'm thinking about doing some sort of a short-lifetime stack, where rathe= r=20 than keeping persistent data on the stack, the stack is scope-sensitive a= nd=20 cannot be used to pass data between functions. (A separate persistent=20 argument stack might be available for top-level passing, not sure.) I'll post when I have a more concrete idea of what I'm thinking of. :-) -Cliff From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 13:53:35 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kd33-000AQ0-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:50:49 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:50:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kd1X-000APC-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:49:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:49:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kd1P-000AP6-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:49:07 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5JAn5226950 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:49:05 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:50:04 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <000001c21769$72109710$a500000a@td165> In-Reply-To: <000001c21769$72109710$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206190350.04657.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc (fun with bits) On Wednesday 19 June 2002 01:15 am, you wrote: > This alone would make cryptography an awful lot easier and so much more > fun... And this would run great on the one-bit micro I designed a couple years b= ack! =20 :-) -Cliff From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 14:50:20 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kdx2-000Air-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:48:40 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:48:33 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kdwh-000Aic-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:48:19 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:48:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mrwaynxd-new.lnk.telstra.net ([139.130.76.194] helo=gateway.michel.com.au) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KdwW-000AiW-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:48:09 +0300 Received: from ork (ork.michel.com.au [203.18.139.105]) by gateway.michel.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g5JBjIW03489 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:45:18 +1000 From: "Ryan Michel" To: Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:48:03 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200206190350.04657.cbiffle@safety.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk X-list: misc I am intrigued by functional languages (only done c++, basic, bf, a couple of my own), does anyone know a good overview/free implementation of forth, lisp, scheme? From what I have gleened and a few web sites I have begun my own functional language (no name yet) with single character instructions and function calls. Kind of like the bf of functional languages. ryan -----Original Message----- From: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of Cliff L. Biffle Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 8:50 PM To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo (fun with bits) On Wednesday 19 June 2002 01:15 am, you wrote: > This alone would make cryptography an awful lot easier and so much more > fun... And this would run great on the one-bit micro I designed a couple years back! :-) -Cliff --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 15:12:14 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KeIL-000Atf-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:10:41 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:10:33 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KeHs-000AtY-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:10:12 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:10:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KeHh-000AtJ-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:10:03 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:10:02 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:09:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c2178a$1b1ce780$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc There are gnu implementations of prolog and lisp, a basic compiler for KDE (KBasic, I think), and many other. do a google search. David. -----Original Message----- From: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of Ryan Michel Sent: 19 June 2002 12:48 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo I am intrigued by functional languages (only done c++, basic, bf, a couple of my own), does anyone know a good overview/free implementation of forth, lisp, scheme? From what I have gleened and a few web sites I have begun my own functional language (no name yet) with single character instructions and function calls. Kind of like the bf of functional languages. ryan From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 15:27:25 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KeX8-000B0K-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:25:58 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:25:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KeWh-000B0B-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:25:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:25:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web14003.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.94]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KeWX-000B05-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:25:22 +0300 Message-ID: <20020619122517.31804.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.100.133.65] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:25:17 BST Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:25:17 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephen=20Sykes?= Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > does anyone know a good overview/free implementation of > forth, lisp, scheme? Try here for a good overview of functional languages: ftp://ftp.aw.com/cseng/authors/finkel/apld/finkel04.pdf This should be a link to Chapter 4 of Finkel's book. If you can't get through to the Addison Wesley ftp server (as I couldn't just now) I can send you it - it's 186k. Stephen. +- S.D.Sykes - www.stephensykes.com - +358 50 577 3879 - | "Sinulla on kauniit silmät" -- handy Finnish phrase #3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 15:36:48 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KegJ-000B6T-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:35:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:35:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kefs-000B6G-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:35:01 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:34:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.engelsinfo.de ([212.6.209.241]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Kefk-000B61-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:34:52 +0300 Received: from morgoth (morgoth [212.6.209.231]) by mail.engelsinfo.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21891 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:37:49 +0200 (MET DST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: "Rafal M. Sulejman" Organization: none To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:34:40 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: In-Reply-To: X-Default-Editor: vim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200206191434.40303.rafal@engelsinfo.de> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rafal@engelsinfo.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rafal@engelsinfo.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc * Ryan Michel [Wednesday 19 June 2002 13:48] : > I am intrigued by functional languages (only done c++, basic, bf, a > couple of my own), does anyone know a good overview/free > implementation of > forth http://www.forth.org -- many useful links.... In the old DOS days I was used to program in Fifth -- very user-friendly environment with quite decent editor (no 'screen' stuff) -- should be available on simtel... > scheme http://www.schemers.org (DrScheme) HTH, -- # . . . | Rafal M. Sulejman /"\ . . # . | \ / # . . . | ASCII Ribbon Campaign against HTML mail X . . . . | / \ From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 19 23:23:51 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Klwv-0002jK-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:21:05 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:20:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KltP-0002iv-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:17:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:17:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.16.6.108] (helo=frox25.dhs.org) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17KltG-0002ip-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:17:18 +0300 Received: (qmail 13315 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 19:34:21 -0000 Received: from heartw.ih (10.0.17.4) by nova.ih with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 19:34:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:02:44 +0400 From: Mtv Europe X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.49) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <16605535485.20020620000244@frox25.dhs.org> To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge In-reply-To: <3D0FA74C.F45BCBF3@dds.nl> References: <20020618063351.93577.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> <39513628913.20020618223111@frox25.dhs.org> <3D0FA74C.F45BCBF3@dds.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mtve@frox25.dhs.org Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello All! Hmm, i found nice multilingual (mainly Malbolge, but also valid Perl, Brainf*ck, ETA and some others): '&%$#"!76543210/43,P0).'&%I6 (may coredump some Malbolge interpreters) ---- Mtv Europe From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 21 00:07:14 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17L97b-000NZG-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:05:39 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:05:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17L96s-000NZ1-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:04:54 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:04:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17L96j-000NYv-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:04:45 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-213-45.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.213.45]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D083C325 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:04:29 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D124ED5.93991D9A@dds.nl> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:53:25 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Malbolge References: <20020618063351.93577.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> <39513628913.20020618223111@frox25.dhs.org> <3D0FA74C.F45BCBF3@dds.nl> <16605535485.20020620000244@frox25.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Mtv Europe wrote: > Hello All! > > Hmm, i found nice multilingual (mainly Malbolge, but > also valid Perl, Brainf*ck, ETA and some others): > > '&%$#"!76543210/43,P0).'&%I6 Nice. But I've got a shorter one: (the rest of this email is intentionally left blank) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 21 12:10:14 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKPH-000PJG-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:08:39 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:08:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKOg-000PJ9-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:08:02 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:07:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKOX-000PJ3-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:07:53 +0300 Received: from myrealbox.com amirlb@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [62.219.226.45] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:07:50 -0600 Message-ID: <3D12ED6C.1050200@myrealbox.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:10:04 +0300 From: Amir Livne Bar-On User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020412 Debian/0.9.9-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) References: <200206172352.41571.cbiffle@safety.net> <3D0FAAC2.86E70664@dds.nl> <200206190347.43835.cbiffle@safety.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: amirlb@myrealbox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: amirlb@myrealbox.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > I'm thinking about doing some sort of a short-lifetime stack, where rather > than keeping persistent data on the stack, the stack is scope-sensitive and > cannot be used to pass data between functions. (A separate persistent > argument stack might be available for top-level passing, not sure.) > I'll post when I have a more concrete idea of what I'm thinking of. :-) I've done that on my Emmies language, but with queues instead of stacks. I don't know if I should post it here, though... the winner wasn't declared yet. -- Bad spellers of the world UNTIE! Amir Livne (lightstep) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 21 12:20:36 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKZW-000POz-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:19:14 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:19:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKZK-000POs-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:19:02 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:18:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKZB-000POm-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:18:54 +0300 Received: from myrealbox.com amirlb@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [62.219.226.45] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:18:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3D12F003.4070206@myrealbox.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:21:07 +0300 From: Amir Livne Bar-On User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020412 Debian/0.9.9-6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [voodoo] was something about FOREIGN PARTNERS :-) References: <200206172352.41571.cbiffle@safety.net> <3D0FAAC2.86E70664@dds.nl> <200206190347.43835.cbiffle@safety.net> <3D12ED6C.1050200@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: amirlb@myrealbox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: amirlb@myrealbox.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > Emmies Essies, of course -- Bad spellers of the world UNTIE! Amir Livne (lightstep) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 21 12:36:21 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKol-000PTy-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:34:59 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:34:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKoZ-000PTs-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:34:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:34:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKoR-000PTm-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:34:39 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5L9Ycj16058 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:34:39 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5L9YZ925220 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:34:35 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:34:35 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [time travel] (was: Re: Malbolge) In-Reply-To: <3D0FA74C.F45BCBF3@dds.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Milo van Handel wrote: > Would it produce anything meaningful if a programming language had some > sort of time travel (simulated, of course, by recalculating the past By the way, Ocaml's replay debugger does allow for jumping back and forth in execution. In Haskell, it should be quite simple to construct a monad in which the computational state is saved every 500 or so steps for later retrieval. > each time(!) that time travel is invoked), where functions could be > executed before their input is known? The latter one is partially possible in lazily-evaluated languages. You can in theory do let (result, some_stuff) = do_something_with some_stuff other_arguments Thus feeding to a function part of its result as an argument. This works as long as the function does not need the result to computate the result. Other than that, you will need a backtracking language where you pass the state around as an extra parameter. This, of course, can be built into a monad... -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 21 12:39:34 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKrs-000PVS-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:38:12 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:38:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKrj-000PVM-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:38:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:37:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LKra-000PVG-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:37:54 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5L9brj16326 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:37:53 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5L9bow25474 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:37:50 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:37:50 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Ryan Michel wrote: > I am intrigued by functional languages (only done c++, basic, bf, a couple > of my own), does anyone know a good overview/free implementation of forth, > lisp, scheme? gforth, guile (or rep), scm (or elk). Panu From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 21 13:36:48 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LLlB-000PgU-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:35:22 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:35:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LLku-000PgL-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:35:04 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:34:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mrwaynxd-new.lnk.telstra.net ([139.130.76.194] helo=gateway.michel.com.au) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LLkk-000PgE-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:34:55 +0300 Received: from ork (ork.michel.com.au [203.18.139.105]) by gateway.michel.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g5LAW1W09571 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:32:01 +1000 From: "Ryan Michel" To: Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:34:49 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by gateway.michel.com.au id g5LAW1W09571 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Thanks to all those who replied, it has steered me in the right direction for my own lang (still no name) just for a taste here is the Fibonaccis defined recursively: :f3345*+=3Dc0?>!ab+=3Dr1c-=3Dcr#58+=3D@crbf!{:;abcr;01.f=94How Many Fibon= accis ?=94@=3D=3D It will accept user input and calculate that many fibonaccis seperated by newline characters. Implementation underway 5% complete. ryan -----Original Message----- From: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of Panu A Kalliokoski Sent: Friday, 21 June 2002 7:38 PM To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Ryan Michel wrote: > I am intrigued by functional languages (only done c++, basic, bf, a cou= ple > of my own), does anyone know a good overview/free implementation of for= th, > lisp, scheme? gforth, guile (or rep), scm (or elk). Panu --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 21 21:48:22 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LTQS-0000pE-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:46:28 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:46:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LTPa-0000p7-00; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:45:34 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:45:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17LTPR-0000p1-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:45:26 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5LIjN207987 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:45:23 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:46:23 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206211146.23705.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Friday 21 June 2002 03:34 am, you wrote: > :f3345*+=3Dc0?>!ab+=3Dr1c-=3Dcr#58+=3D@crbf!{:;abcr;01.f=94How Many Fib= onaccis ?=94@=3D=3D I'm sorry, can you send again? There seems to have been some line noise = in=20 your transmission. *grin* Looking forward to the spec! -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 24 00:23:03 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MEoB-0008Pf-00; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:22:07 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:21:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MElz-0008PP-00; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:19:51 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:19:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MElq-0008PJ-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:19:42 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-248-25.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.248.25]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2ABA37E1A for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:19:35 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D15E127.3CFE0BA@dds.nl> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:54:31 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge References: <20020618230435.3124.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Stephen Sykes wrote: > Input and output are interesting. You need to have some scheme where I/O > can be undone. I solved it for simple text IO by asking the user to > forget each bit of output, and have the interpreter tell you when it is > forgetting input. How about an ncurses implementation where forgotten input and output is actually erased from the screen? > Here is a very simple example program where I base new past values on the > current value of that variable. Also, the language in this example only > allows you to retrospectively change values of constants. The language in this example allows you to change variables, only you choose not to use that feature :) Anyway, I don't think it's logical to be able to modify constants. Actually, why do you need a language-level seperation between a constant and a variable? A constant is a variable that the programmer chooses not to vary. > > const $a = 1 > > print "given a=$a, tell me b:" > > input $b > > if ($a<4) darn, $a should have been $a+1 > > print "okay, b is $b\n" > > darn, $a should have been 50 Does this ever terminate? That is, if $a is already 50, will the last line have any effect? Also, what would the following code do? const $a = 1 print "given a=$a, tell me b:" input $b darn, $a should have been $b Since $b is supposed to "never have been input" (which is simulated by forgetting it), it's rather strange that it's still available. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Mon Jun 24 11:34:09 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MPGn-000AIO-00; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:32:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:32:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MPFt-000AI8-00; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:31:25 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:31:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web14002.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.93]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MPFj-000AI1-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:31:15 +0300 Message-ID: <20020624083112.94528.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.100.133.65] by web14002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:31:12 BST Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:31:12 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephen=20Sykes?= Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <3D15E127.3CFE0BA@dds.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > How about an ncurses implementation where forgotten input and output is > actually erased from the screen? Nice idea! > > The language in this example allows you to change variables, only you > choose not to use that feature :) Anyway, I don't think it's logical to > be able to modify constants. Actually, why do you need a language-level > seperation between a constant and a variable? A constant is a variable > that the programmer chooses not to vary. Yes, agreed. The reason was that it simplifies the language syntax if when want to change something, the language knows where to go back to. Seeing as 'constants' are only defined once, and do not change subsequently, then when you say 'darn, $a should have been 25' then the language immediately knows where to roll back to. You would need some additional syntax to modify variables - "$x should have been 5 at line 22" or something. > > > const $a = 1 > > > print "given a=$a, tell me b:" > > > input $b > > > if ($a<4) darn, $a should have been $a+1 > > > print "okay, b is $b\n" > > > darn, $a should have been 50 > > Does this ever terminate? That is, if $a is already 50, will the last > line have any effect? Yes, good point, I had thought that a 'darn' statement would only execute if the "should have been" value had changed since the last time the statement was seen. This doesn't seem particularly nice though. > > Also, what would the following code do? > > const $a = 1 > print "given a=$a, tell me b:" > input $b > darn, $a should have been $b > > Since $b is supposed to "never have been input" (which is simulated by > forgetting it), it's rather strange that it's still available. > Well, when the darn statement is executed, $b is known, so I do not see any contradiction. However, it's clear that information can be passed into the earlier part of a program from a later part of the program that has been "un-executed". In a way that was part of my idea for the language, which is why it is called WHATIF / shoulda; you could use this property to write programs that find iterative solutions: print "Find the square root of: " input $s cost $res = $s darn, $res should have been ($res + $s / $res) / 2 print "Result is $res\n" Should work, but not particularly esoteric. Stephen. +- S.D.Sykes - www.stephensykes.com - +358 50 577 3879 - | Under pressure from Adobe Systems, which created the protective | software for the e-books, Elcomsoft was compelled to discontinue | the sales of its "hacker" program. | It is now distributing that program for free. -- The Moscow Times __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 25 01:51:31 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Mcg0-000DLw-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:51:17 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:51:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Mceo-000DLg-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:50:02 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:49:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.178]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Mcef-000DLa-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:49:53 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-239-94.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.239.94]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A9D99AC4 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:49:49 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rhea.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D17AE2F.25F820EB@dds.nl> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:41:35 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge References: <20020624083112.94528.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Stephen Sykes wrote: > > > > const $a = 1 > > > > print "given a=$a, tell me b:" > > > > input $b > > > > if ($a<4) darn, $a should have been $a+1 > > > > print "okay, b is $b\n" > > > > darn, $a should have been 50 > > > > Does this ever terminate? That is, if $a is already 50, will the last > > line have any effect? > > Yes, good point, I had thought that a 'darn' statement would only execute > if the > "should have been" value had changed since the last time the statement was > seen. > > This doesn't seem particularly nice though. You could also just insist that the programmer explicitly safeguards all "darn" statements with an "if" (or enter infinite looping). > > Also, what would the following code do? > > > > const $a = 1 > > print "given a=$a, tell me b:" > > input $b > > darn, $a should have been $b > > > > Since $b is supposed to "never have been input" (which is simulated by > > forgetting it), it's rather strange that it's still available. > > Well, when the darn statement is executed, $b is known, so I do not see > any > contradiction. However, it's clear that information can be passed > into the earlier part of a program from a later part of the program that > has been > "un-executed". The problem is that the user is told that the input value of "$b" has been forgotten, while the program secretly continues using it. > In a way that was part of my idea for the language, which > is > why it is called WHATIF / shoulda; you could use this property to write > programs > that find iterative solutions: > > print "Find the square root of: " > input $s > cost $res = $s > darn, $res should have been ($res + $s / $res) / 2 > print "Result is $res\n" > > Should work, but not particularly esoteric. When does this terminate? From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 25 15:41:47 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MpdC-000GLb-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:41:14 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:41:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MpbX-000GLI-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:39:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:39:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MpbM-000GLC-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:39:21 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p97.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.97]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g5PCd7v21896 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:39:10 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <015001c21c44$71a9c320$a681ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: "EsoLang Lang" Subject: [lang] EsoLangs for C64 ? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:55:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello Everybody! I'm a old C64 freek and is still programming my C64 as a hobby ! :) I noticed that only esogotschi (http://www.p-nand-q.com/esogotschi.htm) is avialable for the C64 - Anyother esoteric programming languages ? BTW: I'm now working on a C64 intepreter for my 'e' (Exclamation) language. Best Regards, Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 25 15:55:22 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Mpql-000GP3-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:55:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:55:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MpqV-000GOt-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:54:59 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:54:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mrwaynxd-new.lnk.telstra.net ([139.130.76.194] helo=gateway.michel.com.au) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MpqL-000GOh-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:54:50 +0300 Received: from ork (ork.michel.com.au [203.18.139.105]) by gateway.michel.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g5PCpsi16941 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:51:55 +1000 From: "Ryan Michel" To: Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:54:43 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200206211146.23705.cbiffle@safety.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by gateway.michel.com.au id g5PCpsi16941 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk X-list: misc The spec for my functional language now with a name "Nequam" (Latin for useless) along with LOBOL and QNA can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/psyopsmstr/index.html (No jokes about the geocities Web page) ryan P.S. Soon I will add Whitespace, Alphabet Soup, Plip and an as yet unamed language. -----Original Message----- From: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of Cliff L. Biffle Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 4:46 AM To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo On Friday 21 June 2002 03:34 am, you wrote: > :f3345*+=3Dc0?>!ab+=3Dr1c-=3Dcr#58+=3D@crbf!{:;abcr;01.f=94How Many Fib= onaccis ?=94@=3D=3D I'm sorry, can you send again? There seems to have been some line noise = in your transmission. *grin* Looking forward to the spec! -Cliff L. Biffle --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 25 17:50:15 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Mrds-000H8B-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:50:04 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:49:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MrdV-000H85-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:49:42 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:49:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MrdN-000H7y-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:49:33 +0300 Received: from dialup-209.245.130.200.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.130.200] helo=zess) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MrdK-00048t-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:49:30 -0400 Message-ID: <00e501c21c56$b2665010$a085f5d1@zess> From: "Michael Feathers" To: References: <015001c21c44$71a9c320$a681ef9b@lennie> Subject: [lang] NS lang Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:49:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mfeathers@objectmentor.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mfeathers@objectmentor.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Not sure if this one has been tried, but it seems to me that computers spend incrementing the instruction pointer. All of that needless sequentiality (tsk, tsk). How about a purely parallel language in which all programs are a single instruction on a VM? We could finally get hardware people off our backs about slow code and just tell them that performance is purely a hardware problem now. Has it been done before? If not, anyone want to collaborate? :-) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 25 18:30:33 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MsGy-000HKa-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:30:28 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:30:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MsGc-000HHb-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:30:06 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:29:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.121]) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MsGT-000HHV-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:29:58 +0300 Message-ID: <20020625152955.83734.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.100.133.65] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:29:55 BST Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:29:55 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephen=20Sykes?= Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi In-Reply-To: <3D17AE2F.25F820EB@dds.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: s_d_sykes@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > > > > print "Find the square root of: " > > input $s > > cost $res = $s > > darn, $res should have been ($res + $s / $res) / 2 > > print "Result is $res\n" > > > > Should work, but not particularly esoteric. > > When does this terminate? > According to my earlier rule, when $res == ($res + $s / $res) / 2. Obviously with infinite precision, that could be never if the root is irrational :-) Stephen. +- S.D.Sykes - www.stephensykes.com - +358 50 577 3879 - | "Don't be so humble. You're not that great." -- Golda Meir __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Tue Jun 25 18:41:16 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MsRO-000HND-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:41:14 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:41:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MsR7-000HN3-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:40:57 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:40:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MsQz-000HMx-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:40:49 +0300 Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17MsQx-0005Vm-0A; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:40:47 +0200 Received: from dreizehn (320072378593-0001@[217.0.87.187]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17MsQv-0ppia0C; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:40:45 +0200 From: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de (Gerson Kurz) To: Subject: [lang] AW: NS lang Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:42:06 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00e501c21c56$b2665010$a085f5d1@zess> Importance: Normal X-Sender: 320072378593-0001@t-dialin.net X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: Gerson.Kurz@t-online.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > How about a purely parallel language in which all programs are a single > instruction on a VM? We could finally get hardware people off our backs > about slow code and just tell them that performance is purely a hardware > problem now. I had this idea: Each instruction in a dedicated thread, looping forever over { sleep for a random time, "execute" whatever this threads' instruction is }. That way, if you specify all instructions, you only have to wait like some years or so, until hopefully, by chance or courtesy of a broken random number generator, the program does what you want it to do. Debugging that seems a tiny bit unpleasant... As a followup on that, one could tackle the task: design a random number generator such that the numbers it produces generate a specific program. Imagine 26 threads, each sleeping for a random time, then printing A,B,C, and so on. Now, because the sleep() time is decided by the RNG, the RNG could be designed to first wake up thread H, then E, then L, L, O, and so on. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 26 01:13:36 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MyYW-000IkL-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:13:00 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:12:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MyWd-000IkB-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:11:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:10:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MyWU-000Ik5-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:10:55 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5PMAoG09863 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:10:51 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:10:46 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: AW: NS lang From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc A while ago I came up with a language somewhat related to the above: Syntax: any character in the source file produces a syntax error (though a possible language extension allows C-style comments). This means the only valid program is an empty file. The semantics of a program in this language are those of the time when it's compiled, in time_t format, executed as machine language. This language is both deterministic and Turing-complete, in an odd way. We can count on time_t to be extended as necessary, so it doesn't matter that it's of finite size at any given time; but most interesting programs also involve waiting longer than the physical universe is expected to last. On the other hand, it is very easy to write compilers for this language, and most programs in it are quines, or rather the only program in it compiles to a quine most of the time. Maybe call this the wait programming language? -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 26 01:47:24 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Mz5h-000Iqg-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:47:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:47:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Mz5M-000Iqa-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:46:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:46:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.178]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Mz5E-000IqU-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:46:48 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-239-223.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.239.223]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1696E1C6ADD for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:08:59 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rhea.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D18F5F4.670BE57D@dds.nl> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:00:04 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge References: <20020625152955.83734.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Stephen Sykes wrote: > > > > > > print "Find the square root of: " > > > input $s > > > cost $res = $s > > > darn, $res should have been ($res + $s / $res) / 2 > > > print "Result is $res\n" > > > > > > Should work, but not particularly esoteric. > > > > When does this terminate? > > According to my earlier rule, when $res == ($res + $s / $res) / 2. > Obviously with infinite precision, that could be never if the root is > irrational :-) That's my point. It never terminates, so it doesn't actually calculate anything. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 26 06:10:19 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17N3C2-000JnQ-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:10:06 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:09:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17N3Ax-000JnF-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:09:00 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:08:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17N3Ap-000Jn8-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:08:51 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5Q38m217194 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:08:48 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] [not quite esoteric, yet] Virtual Machine book Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:10:04 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206252010.04914.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Slashdot today reviewed an interesting-sounding book on implementing Virt= ual=20 Machines in C and C++. The review is here: http://books.slashdot.org/books/02/06/25/1223234.shtml?tid=3D156 Slashdot/anti-Slashdot fervor aside, this book sounds like it would be of= much=20 interest to this group, so I wanted to make sure everyone got a glance at= it. Apparently, it starts with basic machine architecture concepts and goes u= p=20 through threading/multiprocess models and so forth, while walking the rea= der=20 through a sample VM implementation, including an assembler and debugger. Anyone here read it yet? -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 26 08:41:42 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17N5YX-000KFT-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:41:29 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:41:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17N5YE-000KFK-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:41:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:41:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout5-0.nyroc.rr.com ([24.92.226.122] helo=mailout5.nyroc.rr.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17N5Y5-000KFD-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:41:01 +0300 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.74]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/RoadRunner 1.20) with ESMTP id g5Q5esO11633 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:40:53 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17N5Xy-0001gZ-00 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:40:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:40:54 -0400 From: Rob Speer To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge Message-ID: <20020626054054.GC6431@twcny.rr.com> References: <20020625152955.83734.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> <3D18F5F4.670BE57D@dds.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D18F5F4.670BE57D@dds.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com Sender: Rob Speer X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:00:04AM +0200, Milo van Handel wrote: > > According to my earlier rule, when $res == ($res + $s / $res) / 2. > > Obviously with infinite precision, that could be never if the root is > > irrational :-) > > That's my point. It never terminates, so it doesn't actually calculate > anything. But as long as the implementation doesn't use infinite precision, it indeed would work. -- Rob Speer From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 26 12:14:38 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17N8sf-000LB9-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:14:29 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:14:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17N8rx-000LAy-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:13:45 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:13:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17N8rn-000LAs-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:13:35 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p208.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.208]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g5Q9DMv10722 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:13:22 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <000201c21cf0$d9fc13e0$d081ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: References: Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:33:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello Ryan Michel, A very nice website ! :-) But when I want to goto the Esoteric Page (http://www.geocities.com/psyopsmstr/esoteric.htm) I get a message from Geocities that the webpage doesn't exists ? ! Where is the Game Maker webpage ? No Link Where is the D language webpage ? No Link also Kind Regards, Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm +++ The spec for my functional language now with a name "Nequam" (Latin for useless) along with LOBOL and QNA can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/psyopsmstr/index.html (No jokes about the geocities Web page) ryan P.S. Soon I will add Whitespace, Alphabet Soup, Plip and an as yet unamed language. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 26 14:11:14 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NAhY-000M2g-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:11:08 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:11:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NAh7-000M2Z-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:10:41 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:10:33 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NAgv-000M2S-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:10:31 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:13:27 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] BrainF**k mode for Jedit Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:09:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c21d01$ed23e2c0$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C21D0A.4EF78D00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000201c21cf0$d9fc13e0$d081ef9b@lennie> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C21D0A.4EF78D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote a Jedit syntax highlighting mode for BrainFuck (attached) If anyone wants it. :) Dave. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C21D0A.4EF78D00 Content-Type: application/x-zip-compressed; 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Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:11:28 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:11:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NAhj-000M2r-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:11:19 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:11:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [194.78.208.93] (helo=decis.be) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NAhb-000M2k-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:11:11 +0300 Received: from decis.be [192.168.0.20] by decis.be [194.78.208.93] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.3.R) for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:58:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3D19A2A8.7CA4818A@decis.be> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:16:56 +0200 From: Frederic van der Plancke Organization: Decis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo References: <000201c21cf0$d9fc13e0$d081ef9b@lennie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.20 X-Return-Path: fvdp@decis.be X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: fvdp@decis.be Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: fvdp@decis.be Precedence: bulk X-list: misc D De Villiers wrote: > > Hello Ryan Michel, > > A very nice website ! :-) But when I want to goto the Esoteric Page > (http://www.geocities.com/psyopsmstr/esoteric.htm) I get a message from > Geocities that the webpage doesn't exists ? ! I could not find it either. > > Where is the Game Maker webpage ? No Link > > Where is the D language webpage ? No Link also Go to www.google.com and enter "D language" or "game maker" in the box. Then "feel lucky" ;-) Frédéric. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 26 17:00:01 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NDKn-000Mis-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:59:49 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:59:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NDKP-000Mik-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:59:25 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:59:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from b070117.adsl.hansenet.de ([62.109.70.117] helo=rolands.linux-site.net) by oiva.sange.fi with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NDKG-000Mie-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:59:16 +0300 Received: (qmail 4302 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 13:59:14 -0000 Received: from roland.hamburg.wg (HELO roland) (@192.168.97.2) by linux.hamburg.wg with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 13:59:14 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c21d19$9eae34c0$0261a8c0@hamburg.wg> From: "Roland Illig" To: References: <000401c21d01$ed23e2c0$a500000a@td165> Subject: [lang] Re: BrainF**k mode for Jedit Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:58:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: roland.illig@gmx.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: roland.illig@gmx.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > I wrote a Jedit syntax highlighting mode for BrainFuck (attached) If anyone > wants it. and I wrote one for mcedit, the internal editor of the midnight commander. It supports basic brainfuck as well as my CGI extension. Roland ---- snip file=brainfuck.syntax context default keyword \+ yellow/24 keyword \- yellow/24 keyword > yellow/24 keyword < yellow/24 keyword [ yellow/24 keyword ] yellow/24 keyword \, yellow/24 keyword \. yellow/24 context linestart #!/ \n brown/22 keyword \+ white/24 keyword \- white/24 keyword > white/24 keyword < white/24 keyword [ white/24 keyword ] white/24 keyword \, white/24 keyword \. white/24 From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 26 19:24:09 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NFaG-000NEj-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:23:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:23:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NFZr-000NEc-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:23:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:23:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NFZh-000NEW-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:23:22 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p198.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.198]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g5QGNDv19854 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:23:14 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <002101c21d2c$e8821180$c681ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: References: Subject: [lang] Re: AW: NS lang Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:37:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello Daniel, If you've a language specification for this new language of yours - I would be interested in writting a interpreter in Delphi and Java for it. Kind Regards, Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm ++++ > A while ago I came up with a language somewhat related to the above: > Syntax: any character in the source file produces a syntax error (though a > possible language extension allows C-style comments). This means the only > valid program is an empty file. > The semantics of a program in this language are those of the time when it's > compiled, in time_t format, executed as machine language. > This language is both deterministic and Turing-complete, in an odd way. We > can count on time_t to be extended as necessary, so it doesn't matter that > it's of finite size at any given time; but most interesting programs also > involve waiting longer than the physical universe is expected to last. > On the other hand, it is very easy to write compilers for this language, and > most programs in it are quines, or rather the only program in it compiles to > a quine most of the time. > Maybe call this the wait programming language? > -Daniel. > > > > > > > From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Wed Jun 26 19:40:49 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NFqX-000NKk-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:40:45 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:40:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NFqL-000NKc-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:40:33 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:40:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from artemis.ee.teiath.gr ([195.130.107.17]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NFqD-000NKW-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:40:25 +0300 Received: from xpakccp18hkqn8 (ppp7.ee.teiath.gr [195.130.107.60]) by artemis.ee.teiath.gr (8.11.2/8.8.7) with SMTP id g5QHLnO29833 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:21:49 +0300 Message-ID: <000001c21d2f$8d508cd0$3c6b82c3@xpakccp18hkqn8> From: "Al. Andreou" To: References: <200206252010.04914.cbiffle@safety.net> Subject: [lang] Re: [not quite esoteric, yet] Virtual Machine book Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:58:06 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > Slashdot today reviewed an interesting-sounding book on implementing Virtual > Machines in C and C++. The review is here: > http://books.slashdot.org/books/02/06/25/1223234.shtml?tid=156 > > Slashdot/anti-Slashdot fervor aside, this book sounds like it would be of much Argh... It was "reviewed" by /.? Let me burn my copy then. Al. Andreou http://nemesis.ee.teiath.gr/~ee4299/ From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 00:46:41 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NKcR-0001ia-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:46:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:46:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NKc3-0001iS-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:46:08 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:46:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.178]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NKbv-0001iM-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:45:59 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-233-31.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.233.31]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A0C3E74F for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:34:56 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rhea.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1A31A6.37D0043C@dds.nl> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:27:02 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: AW: NS lang References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Daniel wrote: > A while ago I came up with a language somewhat related to the above: > Syntax: any character in the source file produces a syntax error (though a > possible language extension allows C-style comments). This means the only > valid program is an empty file. > The semantics of a program in this language are those of the time when it's > compiled, in time_t format, executed as machine language. Isn't this machine dependant? If you want it to be a true programming language, you'll have to specify which machine language... > This language is both deterministic and Turing-complete, in an odd way. It is? What if the time matching the program you want has already past? > We > can count on time_t to be extended as necessary, so it doesn't matter that > it's of finite size at any given time; but most interesting programs also > involve waiting longer than the physical universe is expected to last. The programs themselves don't wait. Only the programmer needs to wait, and this is done before compile time. Of course, whenever the wait is, it's still just as long... > On the other hand, it is very easy to write compilers for this language, and > most programs in it are quines, or rather the only program in it compiles to > a quine most of the time. What? Most programs compile to unrunnable nonsense. However, if the program does happen to work, then there's a high chance it'll output its own source code, namely nothing. > Maybe call this the wait programming language? Perhaps... You know, I think this language beats the lesser-known programming language #13. Straight from my fortune database, and also findable somewhere through Cat's Eye's website: THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #13: SLOBOL SLOBOL is best known for the speed, or lack of it, of its compiler. Although many compilers allow you to take a coffee break while they compile, SLOBOL compilers allow you to travel to Bolivia to pick the coffee. Forty-three programmers are known to have died of boredom sitting at their terminals while waiting for a SLOBOL program to compile. Weary SLOBOL programmers often turn to a related (but infinitely faster) language, COCAINE. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 01:27:08 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NLFe-0001q0-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:27:02 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:26:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NLFQ-0001pt-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:26:48 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:26:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from artemis.ee.teiath.gr ([195.130.107.17]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NLFI-0001pn-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:26:40 +0300 Received: from xpakccp18hkqn8 (ppp6.ee.teiath.gr [195.130.107.59]) by artemis.ee.teiath.gr (8.11.2/8.8.7) with SMTP id g5QN84O31045 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:08:04 +0300 Message-ID: <008b01c21d5f$eb925690$3c6b82c3@xpakccp18hkqn8> From: "Al. Andreou" To: References: <20020625152955.83734.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> <3D18F5F4.670BE57D@dds.nl> <20020626054054.GC6431@twcny.rr.com> Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:04:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ee4299@ee.teiath.gr Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > > That's my point. It never terminates, so it doesn't actually calculate > > anything. > But as long as the implementation doesn't use infinite precision, it > indeed would work. That would be as portable as Saturn machine language is. Well, it would certainly make for a great esolang :) . Al. Andreou http://nemesis.ee.teiath.gr/~ee4299/ From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 03:17:41 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NMyd-0002GQ-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:17:35 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:17:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NMy7-0002GG-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:17:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:16:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.178]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NMxy-0002GA-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:16:54 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-240-2.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.240.2]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E426C3D89B for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:18:11 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rhea.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1A2DEC.E15F2E78@dds.nl> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:11:08 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge References: <20020625152955.83734.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> <3D18F5F4.670BE57D@dds.nl> <20020626054054.GC6431@twcny.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Rob Speer wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 01:00:04AM +0200, Milo van Handel wrote: > > > According to my earlier rule, when $res == ($res + $s / $res) / 2. > > > Obviously with infinite precision, that could be never if the root is > > > irrational :-) > > > > That's my point. It never terminates, so it doesn't actually calculate > > anything. > > But as long as the implementation doesn't use infinite precision, it > indeed would work. But: - The language specifications generally do not promise the implementation's precision. We might be using bignum rationals. - If the implementation does use floating point, the precision thereof is probably more accurate than you care about, so you have to wait for digits to be calculated that you won't use. - Perhaps, when you bump into the machine precision, there are some basic calculation inaccuracies that perturb $res in a very slight but visible way. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 07:11:01 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NQaR-00032B-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:08:51 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:08:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NQZm-000324-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:08:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:08:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NQZd-00031x-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:08:02 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5R47s215976 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:07:54 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [not quite esoteric, yet] Virtual Machine book Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:09:11 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200206252010.04914.cbiffle@safety.net> <000001c21d2f$8d508cd0$3c6b82c3@xpakccp18hkqn8> In-Reply-To: <000001c21d2f$8d508cd0$3c6b82c3@xpakccp18hkqn8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206262109.11933.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:58 pm, Al. Andreou wrote: > Argh... It was "reviewed" by /.? Let me burn my copy then. You seem to have misinterpreted the part where I said 'anti-Slashdot ferv= or=20 aside.' :-) As a BSD user, I may have more reason to loathe Slashdot tha= n=20 most people I know (as a poster said it once, "Why on earth did a major=20 version release of FreeBSD make the front page? Post another Linux=20 development kernel incremental patchlevel release.") -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 07:12:55 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NQdq-00032x-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:12:23 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:12:15 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NQdb-00032n-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:12:07 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:12:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ns3.safety.net ([216.40.201.32]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NQdS-00032g-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:11:59 +0300 Received: from cliff (rs.rackshack.net.safety.net [216.40.201.32]) by ns3.safety.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5R4Bu216143 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:11:56 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Cliff L. Biffle" To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: time travel, was Malbolge Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:13:13 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <20020625152955.83734.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> <20020626054054.GC6431@twcny.rr.com> <3D1A2DEC.E15F2E78@dds.nl> In-Reply-To: <3D1A2DEC.E15F2E78@dds.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200206262113.13855.cbiffle@safety.net> X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cbiffle@safety.net Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Wednesday 26 June 2002 02:11 pm, Milo van Handel wrote: > But: > - The language specifications generally do not promise the implementati= on's > precision. We might be using bignum rationals. > - If the implementation does use floating point, the precision thereof = is > probably more accurate than you care about, so you have to wait for > digits to be calculated that you won't use. > - Perhaps, when you bump into the machine precision, there are some bas= ic > calculation inaccuracies that perturb $res in a very slight but visib= le > way. Perhaps the comparisons could be against a range of acceptable values. T= his=20 is generally a good idea anyway (incrementing a float by 0.1 may never eq= ual=20 4.0, for example). -Cliff L. Biffle From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 09:51:33 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NT7c-0003Y2-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:51:16 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:51:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NT7H-0003Xq-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:50:55 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:50:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NT78-0003Xk-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:50:46 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5R6oMX18333 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:50:23 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:50:16 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: AW: NS lang From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1A31A6.37D0043C@dds.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc >> A while ago I came up with a language somewhat related to the above: >> Syntax: any character in the source file produces a syntax error (though a >> possible language extension allows C-style comments). This means the only >> valid program is an empty file. >> The semantics of a program in this language are those of the time when it's >> compiled, in time_t format, executed as machine language. > > Isn't this machine dependant? If you want it to be a true programming > language, you'll have to specify which machine language... Yes, it's extremely machine-dependent. However I think this is the least of its problems, and one of the smaller things separating it from "true" programming languages, whatever those are. If you want to say this is actually several languages, one per machine language, I will agree with you. >> This language is both deterministic and Turing-complete, in an odd way. > > It is? What if the time matching the program you want has already past? Wait for it to reappear with a null program preceding it. >> We >> can count on time_t to be extended as necessary, so it doesn't matter that >> it's of finite size at any given time; but most interesting programs also >> involve waiting longer than the physical universe is expected to last. > > The programs themselves don't wait. Only the programmer needs to wait, and > this is done before compile time. Of course, whenever the wait is, it's still > just as long... I said the programs "involve waiting"--not that the programs wait. What I meant was exactly what you said--the programmer needs to wait for them. Assuming by "programmer" we mean the person who runs the compiler; the usual roles get a bit blurry here. >> On the other hand, it is very easy to write compilers for this language, and >> most programs in it are quines, or rather the only program in it compiles to >> a quine most of the time. > > What? Most programs compile to unrunnable nonsense. However, if the program > does happen to work, then there's a high chance it'll output its own source > code, namely nothing. My point exactly. Regarding most programs compiling to unrunnable nonsense: -Given that in most machine languages, only a small portion of numbers code for invalid instructions--and given that a 64-bit time_t should hold any time in the next billion years--any program compiled in that time is more likely to compile to runnable nonsense than to unrunnable nonsense. And as you say, runnable nonsense usually won't get its act together well enough to produce any output at all. -However, in machine languages like Intel's, where instructions are not of uniform length, it is likely that the last instruction will be truncated partway through. Whether the remnant will be filled in with zeroes or the program terminated abnormally is implementation-defined. -Even when the last instruction is complete, it is implementation-defined what happens after it's executed. My inclination is to have the compiler provide code for a normal termination right after the time, and hope the instruction pointer gets there. If it doesn't, because the time contains a jump to some random spot, the program will probably terminate abnormally; in fact this is a larger class of "unrunnable nonsense" than programs containing invalid instructions. Is that part of what you meant? (A third class is programs containing privileged instructions.) In 32 bits of SPARC code the chances are under 1/2, if I remember correctly; but in 64 bits I'm not sure. -I assume a program has to terminate normally to count as a quine? >> Maybe call this the wait programming language? > > Perhaps... You know, I think this language beats the lesser-known programming > language #13. Straight from my fortune database, and also findable somewhere > through Cat's Eye's website: > > THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #13: SLOBOL > > SLOBOL is best known for the speed, or lack of it, of its compiler. > Although many compilers allow you to take a coffee break while they > compile, SLOBOL compilers allow you to travel to Bolivia to pick the > coffee. Forty-three programmers are known to have died of boredom > sitting at their terminals while waiting for a SLOBOL program to > compile. Weary SLOBOL programmers often turn to a related (but > infinitely faster) language, COCAINE. :) Beats it in which direction? "wait" would allow you to terraform Mars and evolve the coffee plant afresh there. -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 11:40:06 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NUon-0004AZ-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:39:57 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:39:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NUnv-0004AR-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:39:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:38:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NUnG-0004AH-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:38:54 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5R8cKX19821 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:38:20 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:38:14 -0700 Subject: [lang] Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c21d2c$e8821180$c681ef9b@lennie> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hadn't specified it yet. I'll try it now. Let's see. (Comments and legitimate complaints are welcome.) ---------------- The wait Programming Language Specification. Version 1.0. Each implementation must choose some Turing-complete programming language as a "reference language", and some function mapping the natural numbers to the programs in the reference language. Each program must be produced by at least one natural number. The reverse need not be the case, but it seems desirable that a reasonable percentage of smallish numbers translate to programs. (Machine languages will work reasonably well for this purpose, as would Java byte code or compressed brainfuck. High-level languages, translated via ASCII, would work very poorly, but would still be acceptable.) A valid wait program consists of an empty text file; any character in a wait program constitutes a syntax error, which is fatal, and must be reported. (An implementation which allows C-style comments, or even a file containing a single newline character, is not strictly conforming. These are features of wait++.) When a wait program is compiled or interpreted, the resulting program has the same semantics as the program in the reference language which is the value of the mapping function when applied to the time of compilation or interpretation, expressed in seconds since the beginning of AD 1970, UTC. (This last is commonly known as the time_t format.) The time used must be within the half-second after the command to run the compiler or interpreter is given. When the mapping function has an undefined value, the behaviour of the compiler or interpreter is also undefined. Of course if it maliciously deletes totally unrelated files, its author is morally reprehensible. -------------------------- Notes for compiler writers. Unlike many languages, wait looks vastly easier to compile than to interpret, at least when the machine language of the machine it's run on is used as the reference language, which was the original thought. Some small problems that arise in such a case: -leading zeroes don't change what natural number it is; so they shouldn't change what program is produced either. One answer is to ignore this theoretical difficulty; another is to gerrymander the definition of either the reference language or the mapping function so as to legitimize the behaviour of your implementation. -Practically speaking: What should happen if the last instruction in the time is cut off halfway through, because instructions are of varying lengths? Depending on your memory layout, it might get completed with stray data or you might get some kind of memory protection fault. Which one happens is undefined by the spec because the sliced instruction means the program is not a legitimate machine-language program. -Is the reference-language program responsible for providing the code for a normal termination? My inclination is to be merciful and have the compiler provide that code right after the time. Of course if the time contains a jump instruction to some other place, it's on its own. > Hello Daniel, > > If you've a language specification for this new language of yours - I would > be interested in writting a interpreter in Delphi and Java for it. > > Kind Regards, > > Lennie De Villiers > > SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT > Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 > Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za > Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie > My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm > > ++++ > >> A while ago I came up with a language somewhat related to the above: >> Syntax: any character in the source file produces a syntax error (though a >> possible language extension allows C-style comments). This means the only >> valid program is an empty file. >> The semantics of a program in this language are those of the time when > it's >> compiled, in time_t format, executed as machine language. >> This language is both deterministic and Turing-complete, in an odd way. We >> can count on time_t to be extended as necessary, so it doesn't matter that >> it's of finite size at any given time; but most interesting programs also >> involve waiting longer than the physical universe is expected to last. >> On the other hand, it is very easy to write compilers for this language, > and >> most programs in it are quines, or rather the only program in it compiles > to >> a quine most of the time. >> Maybe call this the wait programming language? >> -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 14:40:02 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NXc4-000MjA-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:39:00 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:38:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NXZf-000Mig-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:36:31 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:36:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NXZW-000Mia-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:36:22 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RBZjj28051 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:36:06 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5RBZM026331 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:35:22 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:35:22 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo In-Reply-To: <200206181038.01706.cbiffle@safety.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > Not all types support all possible operations, at the moment. For example, > concatenating two integers doesn't make a lot of sense to me. > Have you played much with Ruby? It takes an approach similar to the one you > describe. I somewhat dislike Ruby, but the tendency in OO scripting languages (Python, Ruby) seems to be having all kinds of operations "hookable" by providing methods to do those operations. This is IMO one of the neatest things in basic OO... > > Yeah. Of course, if anonymous functions are _the_ form of iteration, the > > need for easy building of runtime-determined anonymous functions _will_ > > arise. > Yes, exactly that problem has sent me rethinking the language. I liked the > theory behind using anonymous functions for all forms of iteration (I > considered using them as the blocks of the if/else/then statement as well). > However, at the moment it's a little weak for that. Then there's the possibility of providing extra arguments on the stack, retrieving them in the anonymous function, and pushing them back in the anonymous function for use by next iteration. Quite error-prone but not quite as ugly as building anonymous functions runtime from list representations. > > (defun multiply_by (x) (lambda (y) (* x y))) > Wow, it's been a long time since I've done Lisp. Am I right in remembering > 'lambda' as roughly equivalent to what I've been calling the anonymous > function? i.e. defines a function but doesn't give it a > globally-recognizable name? Exactly. > > Yeah. Monads are a mathematical construct, and a programming technique > > comparable to OOP in its generality and range of use - so it's hard to > > refer to monads in general, because they are too broad a concept. > I'm coming to realize that. :-) I'm going to see if I can't find a book. Here are some pointers (in order of ease of understanding, IMO): http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~nww/Monad.html http://www.engr.mun.ca/~theo/Misc/haskell_and_monads.htm http://www.haskell.org/tutorial/monads.html http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~gmh//bib.html#monparsing http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/wadler/topics/monads.html#marktoberdorf Almost all examples are in Haskell. I take advantage of the situation and advertise omlib, which has many of these monadic facilities implemented in Ocaml (it also has the updatable-state monad in state.ml as State): http://sange.fi/~atehwa/omlib/ Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 14:46:53 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NXjV-000Mm5-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:46:41 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:46:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NXj2-000Mlh-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:46:12 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:46:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NXiv-000Mlb-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:46:05 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RBjSj30216 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:45:49 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5RBjEh26932 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:45:14 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:45:14 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: AW: NS lang In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Daniel wrote: > for invalid instructions--and given that a 64-bit time_t should hold any > time in the next billion years--any program compiled in that time is more > likely to compile to runnable nonsense than to unrunnable nonsense. And as > you say, runnable nonsense usually won't get its act together well enough to > produce any output at all. By the way, this reminds me of my project "rcodga" (redcode genetic algorithms), where warriors were bred, mutated, and printed out of bignums. The number of decimals even the shortest programs require are quite astounding. -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 14:51:21 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NXnu-000MpD-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:51:14 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:51:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NXne-000Mp6-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:50:58 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:50:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NXnW-000Mp0-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:50:50 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5RBoEj31088 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:50:34 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5RBnx627294 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:49:59 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:49:59 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Daniel wrote: > Hadn't specified it yet. I'll try it now. Let's see. > (Comments and legitimate complaints are welcome.) I took the liberty of adding this standard to ENSI, as http://esoteric.sange.fi/ENSI/wait-1.0.txt I hope that's okay with you. I'd like to remind all of you that ENSI is still alive (if not kicking) and I'm willing to add whatever specifications you might come up with. Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 15:36:19 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NYVT-000N4w-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:36:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:36:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NYV5-000N4p-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:35:51 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:35:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NYUu-000N4S-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:35:43 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:37:34 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:33:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c21dd6$c6db41a0$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Forbidden You don't have permission to access /ENSI/wait-1.0.txt on this server. Apache/1.3.26 Server at esoteric.sange.fi Port 80 >On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Daniel wrote: > Hadn't specified it yet. I'll try it now. Let's see. > (Comments and legitimate complaints are welcome.) > >I took the liberty of adding this standard to ENSI, as >http://esoteric.sange.fi/ENSI/wait-1.0.txt > >I hope that's okay with you. >I'd like to remind all of you that ENSI is still alive (if not kicking) >and I'm willing to add whatever specifications you might come up with. > >Panu > >-- > >Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh >atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 18:48:55 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NbUs-000OHH-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:47:50 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:47:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NbRJ-000OGa-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:44:09 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:44:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.98]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NbRA-000OGU-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:44:00 +0300 Received: from AleksL@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id o.1e.2a42bf51 (15898) for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m28.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID91-0627114343; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:43:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:43:43 -0400 From: AleksL@aol.com To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: AW: NS lang Message-ID: <0D9698AF.76DE19A4.00045F70@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: AleksL@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: AleksL@aol.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Unrelated to topic...How do I unsubscribe from this list? From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Thu Jun 27 19:12:16 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NbsM-000OOD-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:12:06 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:11:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nbro-000OO5-00; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:11:32 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:11:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nbrf-000ONz-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:11:23 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5RGBKX00516 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:11:15 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > I took the liberty of adding this standard to ENSI, as > http://esoteric.sange.fi/ENSI/wait-1.0.txt > > I hope that's okay with you. Certainly. By the way, when I said "vastly easier to compile than to interpret"--well, it depends how broadly you interpret "interpret". I've put together an "interpreter" for Sun machines which simply puts the result of time() in the IP's path. It's 120 bytes long, 84 of which are overhead. (It's in machine language, but using C as an intermediary makes it easier to manipulate.) Notice that in the interest of concision this "interpreter" does not check the source file for syntax errors, and therefore cannot be said to conform to the specification... #include unsigned long code[] = { /*ELF header*/ 0x7f454c46, 0x01020120, 0x73756e77, 0x61697420, 0x00020002, 0x00000001, 0x00000054, 0x00000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00340020, 0x00010000, 0x00000000, /*one-entry program header table*/ 0x00000001, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000078, 0x00010000, 0x00000007, 0x00010000, /*code*/ 0x90102000, /*or %g0, 0, %o0; zero as argument for time()*/ 0x8210200d, /*or %g0, 13, %g1; time() is function 13*/ 0x91d02008, /*ta 8; system call trap*/ 0xd0202068, /*stw, %o0, 104; store 32-bit result at address 104*/ 0x81d82068, /*flush 104; update any instruction caches*/ 0x00000000, /*non-instruction; which has been filled in by now*/ 0x90102000, /*or %g0, 0, %o0; zero as argument for exit()*/ 0x82102001, /*or %g0, 1, %g1; exit() is function 1*/ 0x91d02008, /*ta 8; system call trap*/ }; main(){ fwrite(code,4,30,stdout); } If anyone's interested, the wait program seems to be a null program, i.e. a quine, at the moment. The time is functioning as a branch-if-greater-than which doesn't get taken. Over the next year or two it'll go on working its way through different kinds of conditional branches, roughly half of which I would expect to cause problems; then it will spend a few decades doing unconditional jumps, which will be illegal; then a few decades of arithmetic instructions, which will work smoothly for the most part, and then load and store instructions which depend on how much memory the puppy's allowed; I have it set to 64K at the moment, because I don't want core dumps to exceed my storage allocation. -Daniel. P.S. The SPARC Architecture Manual has this to say: "Typically, FLUSH is used in self-modifying code. ...The use of self-modifying code is discouraged." It's broad-minded of them to give us an instruction purely to cater to a programming style they don't approve of, isn't it? :) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 01:40:50 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NhwF-000PjQ-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:40:32 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:40:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nhny-000Pim-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:31:58 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:31:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nhnq-000Pig-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:31:50 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-210-25.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.210.25]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F9D43D0E for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:01:02 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1B896F.4DDCCDDE@dds.nl> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:53:51 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Daniel wrote: > If anyone's interested, the wait program seems to be a null program, i.e. a > quine, at the moment. The time is functioning as a branch-if-greater-than > which doesn't get taken. Over the next year or two it'll go on working its > way through different kinds of conditional branches, roughly half of which I > would expect to cause problems; then it will spend a few decades doing > unconditional jumps, which will be illegal; then a few decades of arithmetic > instructions, which will work smoothly for the most part, and then load and > store instructions which depend on how much memory the puppy's allowed; I > have it set to 64K at the moment, because I don't want core dumps to exceed > my storage allocation. I dont use a Sun. But I just realized... Wouldn't it be possible for the programmer to generate the wanted program by using a suitable machine language in which the current time is what the programmer wants? I think the language specification should specify what machine language should be used, instead of making it implementation-dependent. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 02:06:08 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NiKv-000PoV-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:06:01 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:05:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NiKl-000PoP-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:05:51 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:05:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mta02.btfusion.com ([62.172.195.247] helo=btclick.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NiKd-000PoJ-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:05:43 +0300 Received: from baroness ([213.121.108.92]) by btclick.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYE05H05.MRT for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:05:41 +0100 Received: from djf by baroness with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17NiPT-0006I4-00 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:10:43 +0100 From: David Fletcher MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15643.39795.225470.922055@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:10:43 +0100 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under 21.4 (patch 6) "Common Lisp" XEmacs Lucid Sender: David Fletcher X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: david@bubblycloud.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: david@bubblycloud.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Daniel writes: > > If anyone's interested, the wait program seems to be a null program, i.e. a > quine, at the moment. The time is functioning as a branch-if-greater-than > which doesn't get taken. Over the next year or two it'll go on working its > way through different kinds of conditional branches, roughly half of which I > would expect to cause problems; then it will spend a few decades doing > unconditional jumps, which will be illegal; then a few decades of arithmetic > instructions, which will work smoothly for the most part, and then load and > store instructions which depend on how much memory the puppy's allowed; I > have it set to 64K at the moment, because I don't want core dumps to exceed > my storage allocation. > I liked this description. I would like to propose that the following prophecy be added to all reliable sacred texts: that when the wait program produceth "Hello world", the end of the world shall be at hand. Perhaps you should also set up a website to show the program of the second, and its output. > > P.S. The SPARC Architecture Manual has this to say: > "Typically, FLUSH is used in self-modifying code. ...The use of > self-modifying code is discouraged." > It's broad-minded of them to give us an instruction purely to cater to a > programming style they don't approve of, isn't it? :) > Somebody should invent a language that will allow you to do anything, with a spec which strongly recommends that you do nothing. It would be good for annoying people who insist on some "correct" or "approved" style. All styles of programming in this language will be frowned upon. -- David. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 03:16:02 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NjQT-00006T-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:15:49 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:15:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NjPu-00006M-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:15:14 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:15:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NjPk-00005F-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:15:04 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5S0F1V21794 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:15:01 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:14:54 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1B896F.4DDCCDDE@dds.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > I dont use a Sun. As far as I know, I'm about the only person on this list who does. And it's not even mine--I'm telnetting to it from a Mac (ick). I reported my results only because I thought some people might be interested. But I just realized... Wouldn't it be possible for the > programmer to generate the wanted program by using a suitable machine language > in which the current time is what the programmer wants? I think the language > specification should specify what machine language should be used, instead of > making it implementation-dependent. So you'd like me to prohibit: A. implementations which use contrived reference languages or mapping functions to allow for the creation of genuinely useful programs in our lifetime, and B. experimentation along these lines with different processors or environments, without the use of a bulky emulator? I really don't see who will be served by this. I'd have to either prohibit Lennie De Villiers's proposed Java implementation, or prohibit all non-Java implementations, including my own (granted, it's already non-conforming). The only advantage I can see is that it would guarantee that any two people who compiled a wait program simultaneously would get the same results, without having to agree on implementations. This seems a meager benefit. My counterproposal--and I say this with real goodwill--is that it's time for a language schism. You should take my spec and descriptions, revise them into exactly the language you want, give it a new name, and publicize it. Call it "wait--" or "wait86" or "Gouda" or anything you like. -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 05:24:32 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NlQo-0000bZ-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:24:18 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:24:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NlQG-0000bS-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:23:44 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:23:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NlQ4-0000bM-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:23:32 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-210-25.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.210.25]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085025A1F6 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:56:50 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1B862E.7EF7B728@dds.nl> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:39:58 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: AW: NS lang References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Daniel wrote: > >> On the other hand, it is very easy to write compilers for this language, and > >> most programs in it are quines, or rather the only program in it compiles to > >> a quine most of the time. > > > > What? Most programs compile to unrunnable nonsense. However, if the program > > does happen to work, then there's a high chance it'll output its own source > > code, namely nothing. > > My point exactly. Regarding most programs compiling to unrunnable nonsense: > -Given that in most machine languages, only a small portion of numbers code > for invalid instructions--and given that a 64-bit time_t should hold any > time in the next billion years--any program compiled in that time is more > likely to compile to runnable nonsense than to unrunnable nonsense. And as > you say, runnable nonsense usually won't get its act together well enough to > produce any output at all. > -However, in machine languages like Intel's, where instructions are not of > uniform length, it is likely that the last instruction will be truncated > partway through. Whether the remnant will be filled in with zeroes or the > program terminated abnormally is implementation-defined. What I had in mind is that the remnant would be filled with whatever gibberish happened to be in the memory first, which the compiler may clear to zero but does not have to. > -Even when the last instruction is complete, it is implementation-defined > what happens after it's executed. My inclination is to have the compiler > provide code for a normal termination right after the time, and hope the > instruction pointer gets there. If it doesn't, because the time contains a > jump to some random spot, the program will probably terminate abnormally; in > fact this is a larger class of "unrunnable nonsense" than programs > containing invalid instructions. Is that part of what you meant? Indeed. > (A third > class is programs containing privileged instructions.) In 32 bits of SPARC > code the chances are under 1/2, if I remember correctly; but in 64 bits I'm > not sure. > -I assume a program has to terminate normally to count as a quine? Yes. Also, remember that if the program does not terminate and runs the gibberish after it, this might accidentally produce more output. > >> Maybe call this the wait programming language? > > > > Perhaps... You know, I think this language beats the lesser-known programming > > language #13. Straight from my fortune database, and also findable somewhere > > through Cat's Eye's website: > > > > THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #13: SLOBOL > > > > SLOBOL is best known for the speed, or lack of it, of its compiler. > > Although many compilers allow you to take a coffee break while they > > compile, SLOBOL compilers allow you to travel to Bolivia to pick the > > coffee. Forty-three programmers are known to have died of boredom > > sitting at their terminals while waiting for a SLOBOL program to > > compile. Weary SLOBOL programmers often turn to a related (but > > infinitely faster) language, COCAINE. > > :) > Beats it in which direction? "wait" would allow you to terraform Mars and > evolve the coffee plant afresh there. > -Daniel. Yeah, that's what I meant. Beats it in the direction that it was starting to go already. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 09:49:11 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NpYu-0001OK-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:48:57 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:48:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NpYb-0001OE-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:48:37 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:48:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NpYO-0001O8-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:48:24 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-210-25.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.210.25]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A263D5A204 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:56:55 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1B8818.AD6C3FAA@dds.nl> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:48:08 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Daniel wrote: > A valid wait program consists of an empty text file; any character in a wait > program constitutes a syntax error, which is fatal, and must be reported. Must be? No room for implementation-specific extensions? > (An implementation which allows C-style comments, or even a file containing > a single newline character, is not strictly conforming. These are features > of wait++.) > > Notes for compiler writers. > Unlike many languages, wait looks vastly easier to compile than to > interpret, at least when the machine language of the machine it's run on is > used as the reference language, which was the original thought. I saw you already took this back yourself, so I won't comment. Actually, I will. Any compiler can be trivially turned into an interpreter by compiling to a temporary file, running this temporary file, and deleting it again (well, except if the program asks the operating system to kill its parent, in which case the deletion can never take place). Some interpreters really do work similarly, by first compiling the program to in-memory byte code and then interpreting this byte code. Conversely, any interpreter can be trivially turned into a compiler by having the compiler output the interpreter with the program as a compile-time constant. This is generally considered cheating, but works. > Some small > problems that arise in such a case: > -leading zeroes don't change what natural number it is; so they shouldn't > change what program is produced either. One answer is to ignore this > theoretical difficulty; another is to gerrymander the definition of either > the reference language or the mapping function so as to legitimize the > behaviour of your implementation. Perhaps interpret the time in little-endian format? > -Practically speaking: What should happen if the last instruction in the > time is cut off halfway through, because instructions are of varying > lengths? Depending on your memory layout, it might get completed with stray > data or you might get some kind of memory protection fault. Which one > happens is undefined by the spec because the sliced instruction means the > program is not a legitimate machine-language program. In that case, try to execute something that is not a legitimate instruction. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 10:06:28 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nppr-0001Ub-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:06:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:06:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nppf-0001UU-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:06:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:06:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NppX-0001UO-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:06:07 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5S762V06119 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:06:03 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:05:56 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15643.39795.225470.922055@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > I liked this description. I would like to propose that the following > prophecy be added to all reliable sacred texts: that when the wait > program produceth "Hello world", the end of the world shall be at > hand. :) "Hello world. Goodbye world. That was fast." Thinking about it, I've already received a prophecy from a technical-minded person that I would "destroy the world and find us a new one." In any case, this seems to bear on the issue of whether the spec should limit wait to one particular machine language... :) > Perhaps you should also set up a website to show the program of the > second, and its output. I've just done one, though it's very spartan and gives the time in seconds without translating to assembly. Sorry, but I'm lazy. Anyway: http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~cristofd/sunwait.cgi The basic opcode shouldn't change more often than every month and a half. > Somebody should invent a language that will allow you to do anything, > with a spec which strongly recommends that you do nothing. It would > be good for annoying people who insist on some "correct" or "approved" > style. All styles of programming in this language will be frowned > upon. :) Right, and we can call the language "Deprecated". -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 12:51:10 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NsPA-0002Fu-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:51:04 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:50:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NsOa-0002Fn-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:50:28 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:50:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NsOP-0002Fh-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:50:17 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5S9oEV07919 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:50:14 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:50:09 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1B8818.AD6C3FAA@dds.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc >> A valid wait program consists of an empty text file; any character in a wait >> program constitutes a syntax error, which is fatal, and must be reported. > > Must be? No room for implementation-specific extensions? Must be. Of course, the source code is to the wait language what the appendix is to the human body: purely vestigial, with no function other than to provide disasters when it goes wrong, and to serve as a subject for feeble jokes. Which is why I omitted it in sunwait. (Of course a wait program without source code, like a human without an appendix, is still a joke, formed by slow blind forces without any of the structural integrity, reliability, or effectiveness which a designing mind could have provided...but I digress.) >> (An implementation which allows C-style comments, or even a file containing >> a single newline character, is not strictly conforming. These are features >> of wait++.) >> >> Notes for compiler writers. >> Unlike many languages, wait looks vastly easier to compile than to >> interpret, at least when the machine language of the machine it's run on is >> used as the reference language, which was the original thought. > > I saw you already took this back yourself, so I won't comment. > > Actually, I will. > > Any compiler can be trivially turned into an interpreter by compiling to a > temporary file, running this temporary file, and deleting it again (well, > except if the program asks the operating system to kill its parent, in which > case the deletion can never take place). Some interpreters really do work > similarly, by first compiling the program to in-memory byte code and then > interpreting this byte code. As I said, it depends how you define "interpreter". If it's defined as an implementation that produces no translation of the program that outlasts its own presence in memory, then you're right, of course. But that seems like stretching what is usually meant by the word. Webster's, surprisingly, has a definition that I think does a pretty fair job of capturing the distinction we usually want to make: "a computer program that translates and executes, statement by statement, a program written in a high-level language" I take this to mean that it translates a statement and executes it, then translates the next statement and executes it, and so on, rather than doing the translation all at once and then the execution all at once. Now since a time constitutes only one SPARC operation at the moment, this distinction doesn't arise with sunwait; my hesitation to call that one an interpreter in the strictest sense arises from other features. For one thing, the whole activity of interpretation or translation--of mapping from instructions to actions--is missing; sunwait just moves a number from one place to another. Also, "interpreter" connotes, at least vaguely, that when the thing is run it does not produce any new machine code. (This is a different distinction than Webster's; I think it is the distinction people are trying to make by speaking of "just-in-time compilers", which Webster's would include as a kind of interpreter...) Of course calling wait a language is at least as much of a stretch as calling sunwait an interpreter. It doesn't seem at all problematic to call the interpreters you mention "interpreters", because they don't produce and execute machine language, and the compiling to byte code seems like a preparatory step to smooth the way for the "real job" of interpretation. Now a program that did ONLY the first part--that translated to byte code, then output the byte code as a file--everyone would call a compiler. > Conversely, any interpreter can be trivially turned into a compiler by > having the compiler output the interpreter with the program as a compile-time > constant. This is generally considered cheating, but works. Again, it works in one sense, but it's not really what people mean by "compiler". Which I suppose is another way of saying "considered cheating". >> Some small >> problems that arise in such a case: >> -leading zeroes don't change what natural number it is; so they shouldn't >> change what program is produced either. One answer is to ignore this >> theoretical difficulty; another is to gerrymander the definition of either >> the reference language or the mapping function so as to legitimize the >> behaviour of your implementation. > > Perhaps interpret the time in little-endian format? I don't think that will help; it would just move the problem to one where the same time with and without a bunch of extra zeroes on the END mapped to two different programs. Now where a zero is not a legitimate instruction--which happens to be the case for the SPARC--the problem dissolves; we should keep the time in the smallest data type it will fit in, because keeping it in a bigger type will not make it translate to another legitimate program, but to a non-program. (The problem I was trying to avoid was that of having the same number with and without a bunch of leading zeroes--e.g., the current time in 32-bit and 64-bit format--translate to two different legitimate programs in the reference language, neither of which any other time would translate to. Because this would make some programs in the reference language inaccessible; and then we would have to prove that the reference language was still Turing-complete with those programs removed, which is a hassle.) >> -Practically speaking: What should happen if the last instruction in the >> time is cut off halfway through, because instructions are of varying >> lengths? Depending on your memory layout, it might get completed with stray >> data or you might get some kind of memory protection fault. Which one >> happens is undefined by the spec because the sliced instruction means the >> program is not a legitimate machine-language program. > > In that case, try to execute something that is not a legitimate instruction. Hm? Explain what you mean. I think we've largely been talking past each other so far. -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 13:08:54 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NsgJ-0002Pz-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:08:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:08:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nsg2-0002Po-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:08:30 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:08:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.250.174.249] (helo=abydos.freakymousemats.net) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nsfu-0002Pi-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:08:22 +0300 Received: by abydos.freakymousemats.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 092F51A5DF; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:08:23 +0100 (BST) To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Cal Henderson X-Sender: X-Mailer: CalMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020628100823.092F51A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:08:23 +0100 (BST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc on a slight tangent, a bf-wait script: http://dev.swp-emap.com/bf_wait.cgi just takes the time and converts each digit into a bf instrcution (but not ,) and outputs the results. --cal "wake from your sleep, the drying of your tears" From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 13:31:19 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nt24-0002fJ-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:31:16 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:31:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nt1s-0002fD-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:31:04 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:30:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nt1j-0002f7-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:30:56 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:34:47 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:29:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c21e8e$bb78f150$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020628100823.092F51A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc [NET] C:\>type C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait.b -+>[>[ +> [NET] C:\>bf C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait.b Balance Error: Check the number of "["s against the number of "]"s [NET] C:\>type C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait-fixed.b -+>[>[ +>]] [NET] C:\>bf C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait-fixed.b [NET] C:\> Dave. -----Original Message----- From: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of Cal Henderson Sent: 28 June 2002 11:08 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait on a slight tangent, a bf-wait script: http://dev.swp-emap.com/bf_wait.cgi just takes the time and converts each digit into a bf instrcution (but not ,) and outputs the results. --cal "wake from your sleep, the drying of your tears" From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 14:41:35 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nu7w-0003Gd-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:41:24 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:41:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nu7K-0003GG-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:40:46 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:40:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net ([196.25.240.74]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nu7B-0003G8-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:40:38 +0300 Received: from lennie (woc53-01-p100.wc.saix.net [155.239.129.100]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g5SBeUd26844 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:40:30 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <012701c21e97$bc6c3be0$0681ef9b@lennie> From: "D De Villiers" To: References: Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:29:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Hello Daniel, > As far as I know, I'm about the only person on this list who does. And it's > not even mine--I'm telnetting to it from a Mac (ick). I reported my results > only because I thought some people might be interested. Did you wrote a compiler for Sun system of your language ? > My counterproposal--and I say this with real goodwill--is that it's time for > a language schism. You should take my spec and descriptions, revise them > into exactly the language you want, give it a new name, and publicize it. > Call it "wait--" or "wait86" or "Gouda" or anything you like. The name "Gouda" seams nice ! :-) There's a town about 30 min. drive from Worcester (my hometown here in South Africa) that have the name "Gouda" (a small railway town). Kind Regards, Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 15:12:21 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NubI-0005cn-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:11:44 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:11:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nuah-0005cV-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:11:08 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:11:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.250.174.249] (helo=abydos.freakymousemats.net) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nuaa-0005cP-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:11:00 +0300 Received: by abydos.freakymousemats.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id ED52E1A2BE; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:11:00 +0100 (BST) To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Cal Henderson X-Sender: X-Mailer: CalMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020628121100.ED52E1A2BE@abydos.freakymousemats.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:11:00 +0100 (BST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc At 11:29 GMT 28.06.02, lang@esoteric.sange.fi wrote: : [NET] C:\>type C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait.b : -+>[>[ +> : [NET] C:\>bf C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait.b : Balance Error: Check the number of "["s against the number of "]"s : : [NET] C:\>type C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait-fixed.b : -+>[>[ +>]] : [NET] C:\>bf C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait-fixed.b much better idea :) here: http://dev.swp-emap.com/bf_wait.cgi the problem is that i don't think 9 character bf prog can output anything visible. so it might be a few hundred years before we get any output. --cal "the dreams in which i'm dying are the best i've ever had" From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 15:34:10 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nuwx-0005mD-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:34:07 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:34:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nuwl-0005lr-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:33:55 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:33:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nuwc-0005ll-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:33:47 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:37:23 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:32:22 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c21e9f$daee9f60$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020628121100.ED52E1A2BE@abydos.freakymousemats.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc [NET] C:\>type C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait-2.b -+>[>. ]-> [NET] C:\>bf C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait-2.b [NET] C:\> :p David >At 11:29 GMT 28.06.02, lang@esoteric.sange.fi wrote: >: [NET] C:\>type C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait.b >: -+>[>[ +> >: [NET] C:\>bf C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait.b >: Balance Error: Check the number of "["s against the number of "]"s >: >: [NET] C:\>type C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait-fixed.b >: -+>[>[ +>]] >: [NET] C:\>bf C:\WINNT\Profiles\dmoss\Desktop\bf-wait-fixed.b > >much better idea :) > >here: >http://dev.swp-emap.com/bf_wait.cgi > >the problem is that i don't think 9 character bf prog can output anything >visible. so it might be a few hundred years before we get any output. > >--cal >"the dreams in which i'm dying are the best i've ever had" From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 15:37:06 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nuzn-0005oC-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:37:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:36:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nuzc-0005nv-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:36:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:36:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NuzI-0005nT-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:36:42 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:40:13 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:35:13 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c21ea0$4047c080$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020628121100.ED52E1A2BE@abydos.freakymousemats.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc >the problem is that i don't think 9 character bf prog can output anything >visible. so it might be a few hundred years before we get any output. try this: +[>+.] Its only 6 chars and outputs all characters in the range 0x01 to 0xff 30000 times each :) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 16:02:22 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvOC-00061P-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:02:16 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:02:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvNx-00061H-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:02:01 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvNo-00061B-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:53 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5SD1pi31926 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:52 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5SD1kA00793 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:46 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:46 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait In-Reply-To: <20020628121100.ED52E1A2BE@abydos.freakymousemats.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Cal Henderson wrote: > much better idea :) here: > http://dev.swp-emap.com/bf_wait.cgi Nice to see you guys do good work :) > the problem is that i don't think 9 character bf prog can output > anything visible. so it might be a few hundred years before we get any > output. Bah. [+.] -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 16:02:23 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvOH-00061V-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:02:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:02:15 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvNn-000618-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.250.174.249] (helo=abydos.freakymousemats.net) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvNf-000612-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:43 +0300 Received: by abydos.freakymousemats.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 433461A5DF; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:01:44 +0100 (BST) To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Cal Henderson X-Sender: X-Mailer: CalMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020628130144.433461A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:01:44 +0100 (BST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc : try this: : : +[>+.] : : Its only 6 chars and outputs all characters in the range 0x01 to 0xff 30000 : times each :) isn't that rather dependant upon the store size? it would timeout for me i imagine --cal "for it's such a lovely day, to have to always feel this way" From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 16:06:27 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvSF-000650-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvS7-00064s-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:19 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.250.174.249] (helo=abydos.freakymousemats.net) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvRz-00064m-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:11 +0300 Received: by abydos.freakymousemats.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 521D01A5DF; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:06:12 +0100 (BST) To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Cal Henderson X-Sender: X-Mailer: CalMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020628130612.521D01A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:06:12 +0100 (BST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc At 14:01 GMT 28.06.02, Panu A Kalliokoski wrote: : > the problem is that i don't think 9 character bf prog can output : > anything visible. so it might be a few hundred years before we get any : > output. : : Bah. [+.] sorry, change that to a TERMINATING bf program :) or perhaps i should set an excecution time limit and return whatever's been output after, say, 1 second. --cal "this is the noise that keeps me awake" From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 16:34:08 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nvsv-0006LJ-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:34:01 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:33:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nvsh-0006LB-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:33:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:33:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NvsW-0006L4-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:33:39 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:37:28 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:32:27 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c21ea8$3f1a4360$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020628130144.433461A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc As I understand it the BrainFuck spec defined the store as a 30000 byte array. If you break the spec, that's not my fault ]:p ...unless, of course, I'm wrong... Dave. >isn't that rather dependant upon the store size? > >it would timeout for me i imagine > >--cal >"for it's such a lovely day, to have to always feel this way" From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 16:58:20 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NwGP-0006xE-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:58:17 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:58:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NwG6-0006x3-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:57:58 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:57:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [212.250.174.249] (helo=abydos.freakymousemats.net) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NwFx-0006wx-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:57:49 +0300 Received: by abydos.freakymousemats.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id B838C1A5DF; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:57:49 +0100 (BST) To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Cal Henderson X-Sender: X-Mailer: CalMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020628135749.B838C1A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:57:49 +0100 (BST) X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cal@iamcal.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc At 14:32 GMT 28.06.02, lang@esoteric.sange.fi wrote: : As I understand it the BrainFuck spec defined the store as a 30000 byte : array. If you break the spec, that's not my fault ]:p : : ...unless, of course, I'm wrong... oh, i thought it was down to the implementation to define a limit (or not) my bad --cal "just take a little look from our side when you can" From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 17:28:25 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NwjM-0007Ap-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:28:13 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:28:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nwiw-0007AU-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:27:46 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:27:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Nwio-0007AO-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:27:38 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5SERbi15737 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:27:37 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5SERVl06250 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:27:31 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:27:31 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait In-Reply-To: <001b01c21ea8$3f1a4360$a500000a@td165> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 dmoss@tdsi.co.uk wrote: > As I understand it the BrainFuck spec defined the store as a 30000 byte > array. If you break the spec, that's not my fault ]:p > ...unless, of course, I'm wrong... The original "spec" does not say much, but for other specs I point you to: http://esoteric.sange.fi/ENSI/ -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 18:17:49 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NxVJ-0007Ow-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:17:45 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:17:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NxV0-0007Oo-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:17:26 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:17:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from tdsiaccess.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.40] helo=mailhost.tdsi.co.uk) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NxUs-0007Oh-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:17:18 +0300 Received: from 10.0.0.165 by mailhost.tdsi.co.uk ([10.0.0.230] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:21:15 +0100 From: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk To: Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:16:11 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01c21eb6$bd1f4720$a500000a@td165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.5.0a - Registered X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: dmoss@tdsi.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: misc http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ and http://home.wxs.nl/~faase009/Ha_BF.html are the closest to a spec that I have come about. yours are funnier, through... I'll probably write a 1.0 compliant interpreter... Dave. >The original "spec" does not say much, but for other specs I point you to: > >http://esoteric.sange.fi/ENSI/ > >-- > >Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh >atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 19:18:25 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NyRP-0007d2-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:17:48 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:17:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NyQm-0007cv-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:17:08 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:17:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NyQe-0007cp-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:17:00 +0300 Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17NyQZ-0000yF-06; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:16:55 +0200 Received: from esoteric.holy-unicorn (340009195196-0001@[217.231.60.18]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17NyQl-2CpktEC; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:17:07 +0200 Received: from esoteric.holy-unicorn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by esoteric.holy-unicorn (8.12.1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5SGQOXj065199 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:26:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from markus@esoteric.holy-unicorn) Received: (from markus@localhost) by esoteric.holy-unicorn (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g5SGQOTG065198 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:26:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:26:24 +0200 From: markus.kliegl@t-online.de (Markus Kliegl) To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Message-ID: <20020628182624.A65153@esoteric> References: <20020628130612.521D01A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020628130612.521D01A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Sender: 340009195196-0001@t-dialin.net X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: markus.kliegl@t-online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: markus.kliegl@t-online.de Precedence: bulk X-list: misc * Cal Henderson [020628 15:32]: > At 14:01 GMT 28.06.02, Panu A Kalliokoski wrote: > : > the problem is that i don't think 9 character bf prog can output > : > anything visible. so it might be a few hundred years before we get any > : > output. > : > : Bah. [+.] > > sorry, change that to a TERMINATING bf program :) Actually that program does terminate, as it skips right over the loop. +[.+] would assuming 1 byte cells, terminate after 255 iterations. > > or perhaps i should set an excecution time limit and return whatever's been output after, say, 1 second. > > --cal > "this is the noise that keeps me awake" From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Fri Jun 28 22:28:26 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O1Nt-0008Et-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:26:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:26:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O1Mz-0008Eg-00; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:25:25 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:24:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O1MT-0008EZ-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:24:53 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-204-131.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.204.131]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CF14A9E1 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:19:55 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1B8DFD.6911ABC@dds.nl> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:13:17 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Daniel wrote: > If anyone's interested, the wait program seems to be a null program, i.e. a > quine, at the moment. The time is functioning as a branch-if-greater-than > which doesn't get taken. Over the next year or two it'll go on working its > way through different kinds of conditional branches, roughly half of which I > would expect to cause problems; then it will spend a few decades doing > unconditional jumps, which will be illegal; then a few decades of arithmetic > instructions, which will work smoothly for the most part, and then load and > store instructions which depend on how much memory the puppy's allowed; I > have it set to 64K at the moment, because I don't want core dumps to exceed > my storage allocation. I don't use a Sun. But I just realized... Wouldn't it be possible for the programmer to generate the wanted program by using a suitable machine language in which the current time is what the programmer wants? I really think the language specification should specify what machine language should be used, instead of making it implementation-dependent. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 00:45:50 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O3Ya-0008hY-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:45:33 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:45:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O3YE-0008hP-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:45:10 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:45:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O3Y6-0008hG-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:45:02 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5SLiwo00765 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:44:52 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012701c21e97$bc6c3be0$0681ef9b@lennie> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc >> As far as I know, I'm about the only person on this list who does. And > it's >> not even mine--I'm telnetting to it from a Mac (ick). I reported my > results >> only because I thought some people might be interested. > > Did you wrote a compiler for Sun system of your language ? No, just an interpreter--sort of. -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 00:56:13 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O3it-0008jz-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:56:11 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:56:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O3ie-0008jt-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:55:56 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:55:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O3iV-0008jm-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:55:48 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5SLtiB02824 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:55:45 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:55:38 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c21eb6$bd1f4720$a500000a@td165> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ and > http://home.wxs.nl/~faase009/Ha_BF.html > > are the closest to a spec that I have come about. Have a look at http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/standards.html -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 01:01:45 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O3oF-0008oL-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:01:44 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:01:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O3o7-0008oD-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:01:35 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:01:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mailout6-1.nyroc.rr.com ([24.92.226.177] helo=mailout6.nyroc.rr.com) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O3nz-0008o7-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:01:27 +0300 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.74]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/RoadRunner 1.20) with ESMTP id g5SM1Op10971 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:01:22 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17O3nt-0000Vl-00 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:01:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:01:21 -0400 From: Rob Speer To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Message-ID: <20020628220121.GA1859@twcny.rr.com> References: <20020628100823.092F51A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020628100823.092F51A5DF@abydos.freakymousemats.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com Sender: Rob Speer X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: rob@twcny.rr.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 11:08:23AM +0100, Cal Henderson wrote: > on a slight tangent, a bf-wait script: > > http://dev.swp-emap.com/bf_wait.cgi > > just takes the time and converts each digit into a bf instrcution (but not ,) and outputs the results. Is any digit mapped to "." ? I don't ever see it come up, which causes a noticable lack of output. -- Rob Speer From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 01:58:57 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O4hY-0008yz-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O4h9-0008yi-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.178]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O4gv-0008yW-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:13 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-239-35.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.239.35]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8223947F for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:58:09 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rhea.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1CC32E.10C5F01E@dds.nl> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:12:30 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Daniel wrote: > >> Some small > >> problems that arise in such a case: > >> -leading zeroes don't change what natural number it is; so they shouldn't > >> change what program is produced either. One answer is to ignore this > >> theoretical difficulty; another is to gerrymander the definition of either > >> the reference language or the mapping function so as to legitimize the > >> behaviour of your implementation. > > > > Perhaps interpret the time in little-endian format? > > I don't think that will help; it would just move the problem to one where > the same time with and without a bunch of extra zeroes on the END mapped to > two different programs. > > Now where a zero is not a legitimate instruction--which happens to be the > case for the SPARC--the problem dissolves; we should keep the time in the > smallest data type it will fit in, because keeping it in a bigger type will > not make it translate to another legitimate program, but to a non-program. > > (The problem I was trying to avoid was that of having the same number with > and without a bunch of leading zeroes--e.g., the current time in 32-bit and > 64-bit format--translate to two different legitimate programs in the > reference language, neither of which any other time would translate to. > Because this would make some programs in the reference language > inaccessible; and then we would have to prove that the reference language > was still Turing-complete with those programs removed, which is a hassle.) The point is, in little-endian format, the problem is moved to the end of the program. Whether this helps depends on what the compiler/interpreter puts after the time. Your implementation puts an exit command there, in which case little-endian won't help. But from what I see in your specification, this is not yet official, and an in an implementation that produces zeroes or undefined data after the program, little-endian time will move the problematic zeroes into this zero/undefined section, where it doesn't bother. > >> -Practically speaking: What should happen if the last instruction in the > >> time is cut off halfway through, because instructions are of varying > >> lengths? Depending on your memory layout, it might get completed with stray > >> data or you might get some kind of memory protection fault. Which one > >> happens is undefined by the spec because the sliced instruction means the > >> program is not a legitimate machine-language program. > > > > In that case, try to execute something that is not a legitimate instruction. > > Hm? Explain what you mean. I think we've largely been talking past each > other so far. I mean, execute an invalid instruction and have the processor signal an error. Basically, the compiler/interpreter should ignore this problem and leave it to the machine language. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 01:59:00 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O4hY-0008yy-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:52 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O4h9-0008yj-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.178]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O4h0-0008yX-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:18 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-239-35.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.239.35]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE8E39765 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:58:13 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@rhea.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1CC994.234C6B83@dds.nl> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:39:48 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait References: <15643.39795.225470.922055@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc David Fletcher wrote: > I liked this description. I would like to propose that the following > prophecy be added to all reliable sacred texts: that when the wait > program produceth "Hello world", the end of the world shall be at > hand. *Reliable* sacred texts? You mean those exist? Also, there are so many predictions of the end of the world floating around, do you think it is probable that the omens they describe will all occur simultaneously? > Somebody should invent a language that will allow you to do anything, > with a spec which strongly recommends that you do nothing. It would > be good for annoying people who insist on some "correct" or "approved" > style. All styles of programming in this language will be frowned > upon. The specs will have to consider *some* programming practice as correct, or nobody will take them seriously :) From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 02:02:11 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O4kj-00093g-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:02:09 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:02:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O4kb-00093Y-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:02:01 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:01:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O4kT-00093S-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:01:53 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5SN1oB14175 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:51 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:01:45 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020628121100.ED52E1A2BE@abydos.freakymousemats.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc This is cute. There does seem to be one small problem though: bf-wait time: 1025301484 program: -+>[<+-] ] program (balanced): ]-+>[<+-] ] output: () errors: Unmatched right bracket at (eval 3) line 1, at end of line syntax error at (eval 3) line 1, near "}" > the problem is that i don't think 9 character bf prog can output anything > visible. How about audible? Nobody addressed that question. +++++++. (Actually, that one might never occur, since + is zero and leading zeroes probably aren't translated to brainfuck. Which is fine, since every program that starts with + can be replaced with an equivalent program that doesn't, by tacking on a >< at the start.) If you're concerned about getting to the useful programs as fast as possible, you might want to use octal rather than decimal to translate from--and translate a zero to something that wouldn't occur at the start of an efficient brainfuck program. You could even include , if you had data to feed it. In any case, congratulations. -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 02:34:14 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O5Fj-0009CH-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:34:11 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:34:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O5FX-0009CA-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:33:59 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:33:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O5FP-0009C4-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:33:51 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5SNXmI17751 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:33:49 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:33:43 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc I predict next visible output at 1025340506 which is in about nine and a quarter hours; and again 54 seconds later. If the server gets too bogged down for everyone to get through, the people who do can copy the results to the list. -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 05:44:21 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O8DZ-000AeT-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:44:09 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:44:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O8DD-000AeN-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:43:47 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:43:39 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O8D4-000AeH-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:43:38 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5T2hWJ26716 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:43:32 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:43:26 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1CC32E.10C5F01E@dds.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc >>>> Some small >>>> problems that arise in such a case: >>>> -leading zeroes don't change what natural number it is; so they shouldn't >>>> change what program is produced either. One answer is to ignore this >>>> theoretical difficulty; another is to gerrymander the definition of either >>>> the reference language or the mapping function so as to legitimize the >>>> behaviour of your implementation. >>> >>> Perhaps interpret the time in little-endian format? >> >> I don't think that will help; it would just move the problem to one where >> the same time with and without a bunch of extra zeroes on the END mapped to >> two different programs. >> >> Now where a zero is not a legitimate instruction--which happens to be the >> case for the SPARC--the problem dissolves; we should keep the time in the >> smallest data type it will fit in, because keeping it in a bigger type will >> not make it translate to another legitimate program, but to a non-program. >> >> (The problem I was trying to avoid was that of having the same number with >> and without a bunch of leading zeroes--e.g., the current time in 32-bit and >> 64-bit format--translate to two different legitimate programs in the >> reference language, neither of which any other time would translate to. >> Because this would make some programs in the reference language >> inaccessible; and then we would have to prove that the reference language >> was still Turing-complete with those programs removed, which is a hassle.) > > The point is, in little-endian format, the problem is moved to the end of the > program. Whether this helps depends on what the compiler/interpreter puts > after the time. Your implementation puts an exit command there, in which > case little-endian won't help. But from what I see in your specification, > this is not yet official, and an in an implementation that produces zeroes or > undefined data after the program, little-endian time will move the problematic > zeroes into this zero/undefined section, where it doesn't bother. I see how this solves the practical problem, or rather assimilates it with a separate practical problem, that of program termination, which we can live with. The programs can provide the termination code themselves before the end. But this doesn't seem to help with the theoretical problem outlined in my last paragraph above, in machine languages where a zero is a legitimate instruction. (In x86, I think zeroes form one ADD [BX][SI], AL for every 16 bits? So either the class of programs starting or ending (post-termination) with a series of those, or the class of programs not starting or ending with a series of those, does look dispensable. One answer is just to prove the equivalent of that for every reference language one wants to use. I've already done this for bf-wait in another mail.) (Of course the spec doesn't specify big-endian or little-endian, so implementors are free to use whichever they prefer...) >>>> -Practically speaking: What should happen if the last instruction in the >>>> time is cut off halfway through, because instructions are of varying >>>> lengths? Depending on your memory layout, it might get completed with stray >>>> data or you might get some kind of memory protection fault. Which one >>>> happens is undefined by the spec because the sliced instruction means the >>>> program is not a legitimate machine-language program. >>> >>> In that case, try to execute something that is not a legitimate instruction. >> >> Hm? Explain what you mean. I think we've largely been talking past each >> other so far. > > I mean, execute an invalid instruction and have the processor signal an error. > Basically, the compiler/interpreter should ignore this problem and leave it > to the machine language. I agree, and was saying that the spec agrees too: the mapping function here has an undefined value, so the implementation's behaviour is undefined too. There are several outcomes that might then happen: an illegal instruction as you say; a memory protection fault, if the second part of the instruction is in memory without execute permissions (this depends on the implementation, the OS, and the architecture); or (coincidentally) a legal machine instruction, doing something-or-other, after which (if that instruction doesn't terminate the program) the IP steps off into undefined territory as in the case where an instruction didn't get sliced. -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 05:53:29 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O8MZ-000Ag4-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:53:27 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:53:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O8MN-000Afy-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:53:15 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:53:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17O8MF-000Afs-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 05:53:07 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5T2r5J27052 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:53:05 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:53:00 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020628220121.GA1859@twcny.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > Is any digit mapped to "." ? I don't ever see it come up, which causes a > noticable lack of output. Since nobody else is answering: 6 is mapped to ".". -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 11:59:46 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OE4t-000BpJ-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:59:35 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:59:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OE4M-000BmC-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:59:03 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:58:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OE4E-000Bm6-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:58:54 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5T8wpJ10202 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:51 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:58:45 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc > I predict next visible output at 1025340506 which is in about nine and a > quarter hours; and again 54 seconds later. If the server gets too bogged > down for everyone to get through, the people who do can copy the results to > the list. > -Daniel. Did anyone get it? (By the way, I was wrong. For instance, it output the Icelandic letter "thorn" at 1025334116. Now why didn't I think of that?) -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sat Jun 29 13:41:28 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OFfO-000C9F-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:41:23 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:41:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OFf2-000C96-00; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:41:00 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:40:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mrwaynxd-new.lnk.telstra.net ([139.130.76.194] helo=gateway.michel.com.au) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OFes-000C8z-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:40:51 +0300 Received: from ork (ork.michel.com.au [203.18.139.105]) by gateway.michel.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g5TAbui31777 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:37:56 +1000 From: "Ryan Michel" To: Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:40:45 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201c21cf0$d9fc13e0$d081ef9b@lennie> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: ryan@michel.com.au Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Sorry about that, I have just got back from a 1/2 week holiday. I am not too good at html and have had some rough lessons, I must admit I cheated and used Dreamweaver but I'm getting there. The site should work ok now. Thanks for the complement, the background is just black with white Comic Sans font over the top, nothing fancy. I prefer light writing on dark background to the opposite!!! ryan -----Original Message----- From: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi [mailto:lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi]On Behalf Of D De Villiers Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2002 3:33 AM To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: [forth] [lisp] Voodoo Hello Ryan Michel, A very nice website ! :-) But when I want to goto the Esoteric Page (http://www.geocities.com/psyopsmstr/esoteric.htm) I get a message from Geocities that the webpage doesn't exists ? ! Where is the Game Maker webpage ? No Link Where is the D language webpage ? No Link also Kind Regards, Lennie De Villiers SYSTEMS DEVELOPER & SOFTWARE CONSULTANT Tel: +27 82 4455949 Fax: +27 82 131 4455949 Email: ddevilliers@lando.co.za Web Address: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie My CV: http://www.lando.co.za/Lennie/CV.htm +++ The spec for my functional language now with a name "Nequam" (Latin for useless) along with LOBOL and QNA can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/psyopsmstr/index.html (No jokes about the geocities Web page) ryan P.S. Soon I will add Whitespace, Alphabet Soup, Plip and an as yet unamed language. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 24/05/2002 From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 30 03:11:00 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OSID-000EkF-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:10:17 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:10:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OSGi-000Ejw-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:08:44 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:08:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OSGV-000Ejj-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:08:31 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-213-97.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.213.97]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D10355E47 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:08:27 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1E5853.49CA205@dds.nl> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:01:07 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Daniel wrote: > >>>> Some small > >>>> problems that arise in such a case: > >>>> -leading zeroes don't change what natural number it is; so they shouldn't > >>>> change what program is produced either. One answer is to ignore this > >>>> theoretical difficulty; another is to gerrymander the definition of either > >>>> the reference language or the mapping function so as to legitimize the > >>>> behaviour of your implementation. > >>> > >>> Perhaps interpret the time in little-endian format? > >> > >> I don't think that will help; it would just move the problem to one where > >> the same time with and without a bunch of extra zeroes on the END mapped to > >> two different programs. > >> > >> Now where a zero is not a legitimate instruction--which happens to be the > >> case for the SPARC--the problem dissolves; we should keep the time in the > >> smallest data type it will fit in, because keeping it in a bigger type will > >> not make it translate to another legitimate program, but to a non-program. > >> > >> (The problem I was trying to avoid was that of having the same number with > >> and without a bunch of leading zeroes--e.g., the current time in 32-bit and > >> 64-bit format--translate to two different legitimate programs in the > >> reference language, neither of which any other time would translate to. > >> Because this would make some programs in the reference language > >> inaccessible; and then we would have to prove that the reference language > >> was still Turing-complete with those programs removed, which is a hassle.) > > > > The point is, in little-endian format, the problem is moved to the end of the > > program. Whether this helps depends on what the compiler/interpreter puts > > after the time. Your implementation puts an exit command there, in which > > case little-endian won't help. But from what I see in your specification, > > this is not yet official, and an in an implementation that produces zeroes or > > undefined data after the program, little-endian time will move the problematic > > zeroes into this zero/undefined section, where it doesn't bother. > > I see how this solves the practical problem, or rather assimilates it with a > separate practical problem, that of program termination, which we can live > with. The programs can provide the termination code themselves before the > end. But this doesn't seem to help with the theoretical problem outlined in > my last paragraph above, in machine languages where a zero is a legitimate > instruction. Well, if the program has to supply its own terminator, then unless the zero byte happens to not only be valid but actually be the last byte of the termination code (which, although theoretically possible, I do not know of a machine where this is truly the case), we have no problem, since the trermination code will force any intermediate zeroes to be included. > (Of course the spec doesn't specify big-endian or little-endian, so > implementors are free to use whichever they prefer...) But it was only the first version... From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 30 03:11:04 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OSIH-000EkK-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:10:21 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:10:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OSGg-000Ejq-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:08:42 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:08:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl ([195.241.76.179]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OSGY-000Eji-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:08:34 +0300 Received: from dds.nl (xs241-213-97.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.213.97]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFDC355E12 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:08:25 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: root@pandora.tiscali.nl Message-ID: <3D1E56F6.191BF429@dds.nl> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:55:18 +0200 From: Milo van Handel Organization: Milo-Soft X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.3-5 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: mwq@dds.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: misc Daniel wrote: > > the problem is that i don't think 9 character bf prog can output anything > > visible. > > How about audible? Nobody addressed that question. > +++++++. +[.+] is visible. > (Actually, that one might never occur, since + is zero and leading zeroes > probably aren't translated to brainfuck. Which is fine, since every program > that starts with + can be replaced with an equivalent program that doesn't, > by tacking on a >< at the start.) > > If you're concerned about getting to the useful programs as fast as > possible, you might want to use octal rather than decimal to translate > from--and translate a zero to something that wouldn't occur at the start of > an efficient brainfuck program. Better yet, translate zero to something that can *never* occur at the start of a Brainfuck program, even an inefficient one. Namely, ]. > You could even include , if you had data to > feed it. The keyboard, obviously. What do you mean "if"? From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 30 04:23:06 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OTQX-000FCV-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 04:22:57 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 04:22:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OTQA-000FCP-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 04:22:34 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 04:22:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OTQ1-000FCJ-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 04:22:25 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5U1MML03589 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:22:23 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:22:17 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1E56F6.191BF429@dds.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc >>> the problem is that i don't think 9 character bf prog can output anything >>> visible. >> >> How about audible? Nobody addressed that question. >> +++++++. > > +[.+] is visible. I know. I was making a little joke. (--. is also visible, as I later discovered. As is -. for that matter.) >> (Actually, that one might never occur, since + is zero and leading zeroes >> probably aren't translated to brainfuck. Which is fine, since every program >> that starts with + can be replaced with an equivalent program that doesn't, >> by tacking on a >< at the start.) >> >> If you're concerned about getting to the useful programs as fast as >> possible, you might want to use octal rather than decimal to translate >> from--and translate a zero to something that wouldn't occur at the start of >> an efficient brainfuck program. > > Better yet, translate zero to something that can *never* occur at the start > of a Brainfuck program, even an inefficient one. Namely, ]. I thought of suggesting that, but decided against it because I didn't want to be too pushy. >> You could even include , if you had data to >> feed it. > > The keyboard, obviously. What do you mean "if"? That would take a little bit more work to do via the web, which I assume is why he didn't include the , . I was suggesting routing data to the program from a fixed file as a compromise measure. -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 30 05:34:53 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OUY4-000FSM-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 05:34:48 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 05:34:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OUXe-000FSG-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 05:34:23 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 05:34:15 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OUXW-000FS9-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 05:34:14 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5U2YCL05815 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:34:12 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:34:06 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1E5853.49CA205@dds.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc >> I see how this solves the practical problem, or rather assimilates it with a >> separate practical problem, that of program termination, which we can live >> with. The programs can provide the termination code themselves before the >> end. But this doesn't seem to help with the theoretical problem outlined in >> my last paragraph above, in machine languages where a zero is a legitimate >> instruction. > > Well, if the program has to supply its own terminator, then unless the zero > byte > happens to not only be valid but actually be the last byte of the termination > code > (which, although theoretically possible, I do not know of a machine where this > is > truly the case), we have no problem, since the trermination code will force > any > intermediate zeroes to be included. Well, except the code for the termination might not be the last instruction spatially; the last instruction spatially might be a jump back into the middle of the code, where the termination code could be, or it might (in something like SPARC) be the instruction to execute right after such a jump is executed. And a zero could be the last part of the code for one of those. I grant that in either case, having those zeroes missing entirely would result in an illegitimate program; as indeed would having them missing from the end of termination code that would be complete with them, should that exist on some obscure machine. (Older versions of SunOS did have zero as the last byte of the termination code, but then every instruction of the SPARC is 32 bits long so the issue doesn't arise at the level of bytes.) Now here's another possibility: a program that though it doesn't execute the final zeroes, does check to see whether they are there in accessible memory--I mean in some more civilized way than by trying to access them--and then behaves differently depending on the result. Well, such programs aren't necessary for Turing-completeness. And the whole issue of what memory a program may and may not fiddle with is left undefined by the spec. So I suppose using little-endian does dissolve this theoretical difficulty. This makes it a reasonable solution for anyone whose machine is such that this difficulty arises, as well as people for whose machines it's the most natural way to do things. Hm, thinking about it more: I characterized the problem too narrowly in the first place. It's not just the obscure danger that both X and 0000X might both be necessary for Turing-completeness; it's also the obscure danger that X and 0000Y might be necessary for turing-completeness (no implementation is going to bother to include the zeros in some cases and not others), or that one of the two might be necessary and an implementation might pick the other one. I think individual implementors are still going to have to think a bit in order to make sure that those reference-language programs their implementation doesn't ever produce are dispensable. In fact your original question: What if the time matching the program you want has already past? might be a serious problem for some reference languages. (I realize that was a sloppy way of speaking: "those reference-language programs their implementation doesn't ever produce". Because it's in the spec that an implementation must produce every program in the reference language, for some time. What I meant by "reference language" in the quoted statement is the pre-existing language used as a starting point for the reference language, and of which the reference language is a very large subset. Actually, maybe I should have "reference language" mean that--the whole pre-existing language--and say in the spec that every program in some Turing-complete subset of that language must be produced by some natural number? That might be the cleanest. Also, I think I will add that this must be true of natural numbers greater than any given natural number, as well. So implementors will have to make sure there's an answer to your query about the right program having gone past already. I'll make these two changes sometime later, and any others I decide on, once it looks like there are no others that need to be made immediately...) >> (Of course the spec doesn't specify big-endian or little-endian, so >> implementors are free to use whichever they prefer...) > > But it was only the first version... Right, but again I don't see any benefit for anyone in limiting people's options in this respect. -Daniel. From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 30 10:41:35 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OZKf-000GLX-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:41:17 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:41:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OZJx-000GLQ-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:40:33 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:40:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OZJp-000GLK-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:40:25 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5U7eOi23971 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:40:24 +0300 Received: (from pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g5U7eLE08102 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:40:21 +0300 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:40:21 +0300 From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait Message-ID: <20020630104021.A7686@cs.helsinki.fi> References: <001c01c21eb6$bd1f4720$a500000a@td165> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <001c01c21eb6$bd1f4720$a500000a@td165>; from dmoss@tdsi.co.uk on Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 04:16:11PM +0100 X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 04:16:11PM +0100, dmoss@tdsi.co.uk wrote: > http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ and > http://home.wxs.nl/~faase009/Ha_BF.html > are the closest to a spec that I have come about. Yeah. I checked the "original spec" (available at for example http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/impl/compilers/bfc/brainfuck.txt) and saw that the array size really is specified to be 30000. Faase's spec does not have this limitation (not surprising, he seems to be quite mathematically-oriented.) > yours are funnier, through... I'll probably write a 1.0 compliant > interpreter... Well thank you, though only one of them is "mine" actually. They're carefully crafted by a democratic standardisation institute, mind you. Panu -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 30 10:57:06 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OZXE-000GNw-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:54:16 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:54:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OZWv-000GNn-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:53:57 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:53:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from porsta.cs.helsinki.fi ([128.214.48.124]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OZWn-000GNh-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:53:49 +0300 Received: from melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (sslwrap@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by porsta.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5U7rmi25070 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:53:49 +0300 Received: from localhost (pkalliok@localhost) by melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5U7rkY08967 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:53:46 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: melkinpaasi.cs.Helsinki.FI: pkalliok owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:53:46 +0300 (EEST) From: Panu A Kalliokoski To: lang@esoteric.sange.fi Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: pkalliok@cs.Helsinki.FI Precedence: bulk X-list: misc On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Daniel wrote: > +++++++. > (Actually, that one might never occur, since + is zero and leading zeroes > probably aren't translated to brainfuck. Which is fine, since every program > that starts with + can be replaced with an equivalent program that doesn't, > by tacking on a >< at the start.) I'm a little bit surprised that nobody yet suggested this general solution: to strip the most significant 1-bit and treat the rest of the number as the source of the program. (for example, octal encoding on brainfuck by 0->+, 1->-, etc will produce the above program from binary 1000000000000000000000110.) -- Am fuar -> symb <- am fesh atehwa@iki.fi From esoteric@oiva.sange.fi Sun Jun 30 11:17:43 2002 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OZtt-000GU1-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:17:41 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list misc); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:17:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=oiva.sange.fi) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OZti-000GTu-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:17:30 +0300 Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list lang); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:17:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com ([198.5.254.5]) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OZtZ-000GTn-00 for lang@esoteric.sange.fi; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:17:22 +0300 Received: from [130.94.161.238] (130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.161.238]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g5U8HJL16445 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:17:19 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:17:14 -0700 Subject: [lang] Re: Spec for wait From: Daniel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: lang-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lang@esoteric.sange.fi X-list: lang X-listar-version: Listar v0.129a Sender: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi Errors-to: misc-bounce@esoteric.sange.fi X-original-sender: cristofd@hevanet.com Precedence: bulk X-list: misc >> +++++++. >> (Actually, that one might never occur, since + is zero and leading zeroes >> probably aren't translated to brainfuck. Which is fine, since every program >> that starts with + can be replaced with an equivalent program that doesn't, >> by tacking on a >< at the start.) > > I'm a little bit surprised that nobody yet suggested this general > solution: to strip the most significant 1-bit and treat the rest of the > number as the source of the program. > > (for example, octal encoding on brainfuck by 0->+, 1->-, etc will produce > the above program from binary 1000000000000000000000110.) That's clever. Mildly problematic practically (extra calculation, and a high rate of sliced instructions), but certainly an appealing thought. -Daniel.